From 3tlHHSwYKEBsCFA212CFA21E.FI7CFA21E-2579EE5IJ7FF7C57IFLGJ.3FD@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 15 10:50:19 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3tlHHSwYKEBsCFA212CFA21E.FI7CFA21E-2579EE5IJ7FF7C57IFLGJ.3FD@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2TCf-0002Qj-UC; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:50:19 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf1014072gxk.4 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:50:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KbW4QCAs/Jt4+2He60eTYIJsw7k3/spEyUYGV9NxPeI=; b=xyfnFH7IMSt5ZednLpTyW4mSRtV/O9G6oQqFqb991QS0Sd6wTgwplO0jYcv20U9Czf ap8ZHchdVF/91n4TdBDQbO5v/hgiHxiYgFlcIZc9fWMcxmqEMqStqWCCK8wfkbLdoqJl 4/tG6xSulCkKsQKCTvGF/JHdDpvNL4ciglRb4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=dtLyXAibETioZNcZcmRVFeF35zt56NtwnRLeSEFo3CjJPTSLD7sWSN2T8WROmSOOwM QXtM+HSp7AMYPlv7EPLPmDGo8wvRAY+HWmcXag2pqP6PUwsfytoAlP2ii8qYifqu9xU8 eL62XUO/s1cEPev4PeXbLJSNTIh2OeTx4xrnM= Received: by 10.91.93.10 with SMTP id v10mr153121agl.18.1271353782868; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:49:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.93.10 with SMTP id v10ls233483agl.3.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr224180ago.13.1271353781200; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr224179ago.13.1271353781140; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net (eastrmmtao101.cox.net [68.230.240.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si176986ywh.2.2010.04.15.10.49.40; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.7; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100415174940.IEIC14747.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:49:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.187.225.124]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5tox1e0072hfrC602tpV5k; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:49:40 -0400 X-VR-Score: -130.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lL4dQe6A0XfTYzqIbzpq/h+TkgPEjAvcHnuEPneVQrQ= c=1 sm=1 a=2CkaKArJhhwA:10 a=CYtdG_-2rjoA:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=6EyL5WAE9znMERDS79AA:9 a=4lxIc1MzxAmd-mk1flYA:7 a=9xgXYFc9Nb5u72HXuCHurSSAT1QA:4 a=4VmKGKSqCdEA:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=lsg66w07okjF3vGJL2g+Jw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4BC75186.6060703@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:48:54 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] [lojban-announcements] Request For Help; non-urgent research request to help Lojban. References: <20100407053428.GA9239@digitalkingdom.org> <4BBC4403.70007@lojban.org> <4BC655C6.1070403@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/eb8a3ed85a2128d0 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/e3e535ec6f46419a Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oren wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 07:54, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder > - LLG wrote: >=20 >>Oren wrote: >> >>>pe'u morji ko >> >>I request, O Rememberer, you (imperatively) .... >=20 >=20 > Ah, I meant { .e'o morji ko }, after giving up on figuring out > something like "bump/nudge," in the sense of "don't forget about this > thread." >=20 > I guess I'm uncertain if { ju'i } can be used for this, or if it means > more like 'listen up/pay attention/watch out' > And I feel like using { re'i } might be applicable here (as in "ready > for you to follow up"), but not in general. > Perhaps a lone { ba'e } is the way to go? >=20 > In chinese, a number of attitudinals have particle counterparts, for > example =A7a corresponds with { .e'u }. However, one particle that > Chinese has that lojban doesn't seem to is 'make note/don't forget.' > In chinese it's =AE@/=BE=BE and it's used pretty commonly-- perhaps best > characterized by caring parent-like expressions; i.e. "You'd better > bundle up =AE@." >=20 > I'd imagine that if we had a "reminder" cmavo, putting a nai on it > would mean something like "forget about it/never mind," another pretty > common phrase... how do we say these things in Lojbanistan? What you are describing would be a discursive of some sort, which is a free particle that can go almost anywhere like UI, unless it is important that it be directed to a particular person or audience, in which case it belongs in COI. The problem with COI is that it may need a right-bracket (co'u) when not used with a cmevla, and (as with many other secondary bridi within a sentence,) any brivla have to have their sumti attached using be/bei. The Chinese word is almost certainly a UI counterpart. COI structures aren't that common in natlangs, and they are a specialized kind of discursive. In theory, they could be open-ended, but we had to limit the list to keep within practical cmavo-use limits, and we weren't sure enough that they would be used enough to warrant something to convert a brivla into a vocative (like fi'o does for the BAI function). I don't think we have something formally defined to match what you want, but I can imagine (excluding the experimental cmavo route to add a COI) that ba'a combined with either e'o, e'u, or pe'u might get the idea across. There might be other combinations that would work. Someone used to using the attitudinals to express things might be better at this than I (the rusty one %^). Maybe e'ose'iba'anaidai (empathetically self-requesting remembrance, or something like that). lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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