From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARD-tKHeBBoEFf9J4w@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 16 05:39:43 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2kpb-0005kU-Mp; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:42 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf635980pwi.16 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:received:received :mime-version:received:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=waBQnKq61mAepmJmZga8Y09vfMHCFqoOFSAFzvY0X3Y=; b=L2dHmJcnOSzDxXy5V167LWg09cvx5OrqfnRKcCIVYcWeptAnXFR0wZLhy1tsMiqr1A HeUflw8tAXVMMA2Tpcoh8pmwpu/XR/WISzQqnPCxHMaevhO1j2Ucx4Cav0kyMDz8OQpe potp3xOQbmuUu8XpavEjXTEncdEagFMMPo1p8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=F0FSL6S6hyI1XyYnuj7WgG3ElbAn6iVjSwsZwQqRZa/Y9MV8FG/11kdVPJHMpYuXOH pOIfUebDeg30FvsiYyznOg3ljUYCaPv6vKmXUsV4SW5+sY5tDFP0pjjKkbUx6xpqgSR4 0uNTt7C/CE14nU09cQjrxKlCbdtR/y7m8UkLA= Received: by 10.115.100.23 with SMTP id c23mr113545wam.29.1271421566747; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.38.17 with SMTP id q17ls805909waj.0.p; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.189.4 with SMTP id m4mr279639waf.6.1271421564786; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.189.4 with SMTP id m4mr279638waf.6.1271421564767; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.6]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si516036pzk.11.2010.04.16.05.39.23; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.6 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.6; Received: (qmail 4282 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2010 12:39:23 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 16 Apr 2010 12:39:23 -0000 Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2kpN-0005k5-J3 for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:21 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2kpJ-0005jQ-E6 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:21 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so703995qwc.58 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.1.10 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:39:15 -0400 Received: by 10.229.99.143 with SMTP id u15mr2063803qcn.105.1271421555787; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] {pau} for indirect questions or an equivalent From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.6 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b7f9c3149ad048459e618 --0016363b7f9c3149ad048459e618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A possible question situation: .i pau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu In this case {pau} is included to make it clear initially that the sentence is interrogative and possibly also for emphasis. What happens in the analogous indirect question: .i mi djuno lodu'u pau ko'a gerku gi'ikau mlatu Does {pau} modify the bridi or the abstraction? If the former, is there a way to label an abstraction as being an indirect question early? mu'omi'e latros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016363b7f9c3149ad048459e618 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 A possible question situation:
.i pau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu
In this case {pau} is included to make it clear initially that the sentence is interrogative and possibly also for emphasis. What happens in the analogous indirect question:
.i mi djuno lodu'u pau ko'a gerku gi'ikau mlatu
Does {pau} modify the bridi or the abstraction? If the former, is there a way to label an abstraction as being an indirect question early?

mu'omi'e latros.

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