From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC1uaHeBBoEP7dEdA@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 16 05:49:09 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2kyk-0006Sn-JB; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:49:09 -0700 Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19sf1085704vws.16 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=r/yTRD0aeonbAiHPDvsi/UW1MUlv/CfD/v4279LFA8M=; b=OcgAMsYp6H/KLdItCtsNFY8L5nle4KjkyAG/1HitbB9bQfYqqpanlAtpWGxRX1F/Qz EgCK5/2c151va078kMETDqnSUO/Es1ctzwQxd+SvewEJD5X/lCbCPW6SLY2ELtkq01/Z 6CV/YnowdW8zyQqp/H+WnwqMD0VPSaacrt6eI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=H1to5GUOOaqS4c1arZWIzrCuuD1INARQMOuzI+pRDCKI72gCUh1rRgAZdSEgwvdenN euxe28/6BqrYmuVgiePcHtcN8eH68vbj9HVRY9wwkfxMXdTZbtNVSrtCcs0sMV6Jc3BR +lzJZTxJt5O2kSNycjWA0pAAv8BCxmBiziIrk= Received: by 10.220.127.34 with SMTP id e34mr67544vcs.2.1271422133023; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.70.17 with SMTP id b17ls1311922vcj.2.p; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.96.196 with SMTP id i4mr304954vcn.6.1271422132208; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.96.196 with SMTP id i4mr304953vcn.6.1271422132167; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f196.google.com (mail-qy0-f196.google.com [209.85.221.196]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d5si541597vcx.2.2010.04.16.05.48.50; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.196; Received: by mail-qy0-f196.google.com with SMTP id 34so3238777qyk.22 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:48:50 -0300 Received: by 10.229.241.76 with SMTP id ld12mr2114939qcb.92.1271422130767; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {pau} for indirect questions or an equivalent From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > A possible question situation: > .i pau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu > In this case {pau} is included to make it clear initially that the sentence > is interrogative and possibly also for emphasis. What happens in the > analogous indirect question: > .i mi djuno lodu'u pau ko'a gerku gi'ikau mlatu > Does {pau} modify the bridi or the abstraction? If the former, is there a > way to label an abstraction as being an indirect question early? Excellent question. I think this should work: .i mi djuno lo du'u kau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu In fact, I think I'm going to start using that form, especially for afterthought conective indirect questions, which I feel always come too late and cause garden pathing. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.