From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARCpvaHeBBoEhlikBQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 16 05:57:30 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f155.google.com ([209.85.221.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2l6p-00076c-3G; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:30 -0700 Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27sf3759653qyk.22 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wOaYW22r/pzA/0Sn+5Ca50GOk8yRaYiLTdgY3bHvaRk=; b=GdOMWV/0DcoPMMB1N0ebX5DdOcgt5fhofYvELbxe/ikXx2hJsxXze1qoyhoAaZoZsk viRf6hoKE0mHE9BVWCFSHsIN+oCkOSeKy+ouWdGt+ltjGP1MIN99q+/qXcYmxq8pi28A JkH0IrJLZjBGPyj/gIyh1JXd9zBhUZAA8zPj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=x0yWks0xbTLWpAJkfdgkCoWJZZk0+i7pDkflRNiHzwIjlWOMlSjUn+ns7IkXgrJzML YtfYYE1W5GRhEpFz/nEWQV/qDa8e4UsJ7Pknd/76z/L5kP47+MW6kWdTdrvCqhMvF/3S aCKbh6y1WR7THuisaKj4jnJE/hdkdptCYfSUM= Received: by 10.224.18.24 with SMTP id u24mr56128qaa.32.1271422633834; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.32.10 with SMTP id a10ls880088qad.2.p; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.31.193 with SMTP id z1mr156396qac.5.1271422633383; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.31.193 with SMTP id z1mr156395qac.5.1271422633333; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.148]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si487420qyk.0.2010.04.16.05.57.12; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.148 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.92.148; Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so281092qwj.52 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.1.10 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:57:12 -0400 Received: by 10.229.186.211 with SMTP id ct19mr2298319qcb.16.1271422632123; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {pau} for indirect questions or an equivalent From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364edb1c58de3a04845a26fc --0016364edb1c58de3a04845a26fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So {kau} can be tagged onto the abstraction itself and not just the questio= n word. That's interesting and also rather powerful. It also makes a bit of sense, given that {kau} is not its own selma'o or something, but is rather in UI. mu'omi'e latros. 2010/4/16 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > > A possible question situation: > > .i pau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu > > In this case {pau} is included to make it clear initially that the > sentence > > is interrogative and possibly also for emphasis. What happens in the > > analogous indirect question: > > .i mi djuno lodu'u pau ko'a gerku gi'ikau mlatu > > Does {pau} modify the bridi or the abstraction? If the former, is there= a > > way to label an abstraction as being an indirect question early? > > Excellent question. I think this should work: > > .i mi djuno lo du'u kau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu > > In fact, I think I'm going to start using that form, especially for > afterthought conective indirect questions, which I feel always come > too late and cause garden pathing. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --0016364edb1c58de3a04845a26fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So {kau} can be tagged onto the abstraction itself and not just the questio= n word. That's interesting and also rather powerful. It also makes a bi= t of sense, given that {kau} is not its own selma'o or something, but i= s rather in UI.

mu'omi'e latros.

2010/4/16 Jo= rge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
Excellent question. I think this should work:

=A0.i mi djuno lo du'u kau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu

In fact, I think I'm going to start using that form, especially for
afterthought conective indirect questions, which I feel always come
too late and cause garden pathing.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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