From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARCYz7HeBBoEqWRabw@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 19 07:24:46 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3rtq-00086B-3W; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:45 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf4063910gxk.4 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UDAPDjQNeZBDIytiqFn/LUSB6RhkHLmXHakoRzxZqkQ=; b=6ShOz4F4xSK40jczL2U0lczfm0CIpN2a7m/oJm8xvdr4tIwiuVfvcPynhjsdzQGMqd jB+WQxbHyZZcyWiUT93dlSlF7FkfkB94N1+xUKY3xHvhOVjG7Hi+K0EZJD4gO8noyDOV p3LSAHhqI8U7TEkuySe2QSGoRiJRoBcOxds4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=yRctTM7m+e11dyHUybWmb93eP0Ylg/1LlzacpdUyqkPdwsISJf7adks8L/VxucPV9r D/2Ud2kTpHfjaPFzQYvxI5G0HMl/+5RthSIUBsh4p8FIvgU2RrdGqskXJvv0KC3e8kQd rUpH1vcgSbTrwqgtuxegdeDpB77kuloprJxes= Received: by 10.101.11.14 with SMTP id o14mr383231ani.61.1271687064592; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.198.222 with SMTP id v72ls4618631wen.3.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.91.16 with SMTP id g16mr490949wef.3.1271687062542; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.91.16 with SMTP id g16mr490948wef.3.1271687062505; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f196.google.com (mail-qy0-f196.google.com [209.85.221.196]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1si2125422wbg.6.2010.04.19.07.24.21; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.196; Received: by mail-qy0-f196.google.com with SMTP id 34so6114467qyk.22 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.1.10 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201004190742.40204.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <09da87a4-5d57-45d1-8de6-489ad02aea24@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201004182357.39927.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201004190742.40204.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:24:20 -0400 Received: by 10.229.217.196 with SMTP id hn4mr302823qcb.94.1271687060928; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] About {mi cu facki di'e} From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f9fd88386c048497b7c8 --00163630f9fd88386c048497b7c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry to interject, but just so I understand: Define a rafsi R1 to be M1+C1, with M1 being an established cmavo such as {na} and C1 being a consonant, and define another rafsi R2 whose first consonant is C2. If C1+R2 is morphologically acceptable, then to form lujvo R1+R2 we need a y in between C1 and C2, even if C1+C2 is an acceptable consonant cluster, to avoid fragmentation into M1 C1+R2? Please pardon my horrible abuse of the addition operator, heh. mu'omi'e latros. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 19 April 2010 01:37:24 MorphemeAddict wrote: > > And it should be "najynimre", eh? > > "cn" and "jm" and "cm" are valid initial pairs, but "jn" is not. So > "jnimre" > is not a lujvo, so you don't have to add "y" to "najnimre" to avoid a > tosmabru. "cr" but not "jr" is also a valid initial. > > Pierre > -- > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > .icu'u la ma'atman. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Sorry to interject, but just so I understand:
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Define a rafsi R1 to be M1+C1, with M1 being an established cmavo=A0su= ch as=A0{na}=A0and C1 being a consonant, and define another rafsi R2 whose = first consonant is C2.=A0If C1+R2 is morphologically acceptable, then to fo= rm lujvo R1+R2 we need a y in between C1 and C2, even if C1+C2 is an accept= able consonant cluster, to avoid fragmentation into=A0M1 C1+R2?
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Please pardon my horrible abuse of the addition operator, heh.
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mu'omi'e latros.
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Monday 19 April 2010 01:37:24 MorphemeAddict wrote:
> And it = should be "najynimre", eh?

"cn" and "= jm" and "cm" are valid initial pairs, but "jn" is = not. So "jnimre"
is not a lujvo, so you don't have to add "y" to "najnimr= e" to avoid a
tosmabru. "cr" but not "jr" is al= so a valid initial.

Pierre
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.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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