From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDan7PeBBoEuHn5pA@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 19 14:49:31 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3yqK-0005dl-Dc; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:31 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf17403385qyk.1 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HF9s8iivhNXm32+Sarhn1O+EFBevuheJ3lHD9cKqaAo=; b=yq9NP3/TLjX6ivRpi8iu0hBb90QRzhh72fnFA3k7EOWUe9Q+iYBsmFe/AeOL66euAE CS3xDnp9fctFqrHzys9oJ//edlpFlQTuB6cFLDBrH9kU66b+lTGqY02JxldDtDGZZuQw 82hAuRcddhb2e/EZBlXMaexxguh4EAjSvcS0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=W9oB3v7dnsOyk5mfYUB7iPBarMbUxpcNlrp+SH/Ry3M9PjaJ3zXzq8tJgyn/whUmuA MLEuAw/S1ccII1YaHkffp85mx7l/371g6vPY9d9fXhL/lqLdfkpZNKu0AYzw1bkvs/qp 92DE1HOpXzW2k0yZNqrTfE53qRlXxHQhcBYqc= Received: by 10.224.114.131 with SMTP id e3mr502570qaq.22.1271713755182; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.210.31 with SMTP id gi31ls12693259qcb.0.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.215.72 with SMTP id hd8mr602593qcb.0.1271713754118; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.215.72 with SMTP id hd8mr602592qcb.0.1271713754095; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f42.google.com (mail-vw0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si1108081qyk.10.2010.04.19.14.49.12; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.42; Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so193247vws.15 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:49:12 -0300 Received: by 10.229.246.82 with SMTP id lx18mr113145qcb.80.1271713752351; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] cei From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:37 PM, tijlan wrote: > > Also, according to jbofi'e, "cei" > would assign "carna'ivinji" only to the tertau "vinji": > > =A0[ ( ti ) << | | carna nalci | vinji cei carna'ivinji | >> ] > > (... which appears to me odd though, since the official definition says t= he > target of "cei" is a selbri, not a brivla, and this "vinji" is not an > individual selbri.) It's actually something in between: a tanru unit. Syntactically you can do: ke carna nalci vinji ke'e cei carna'ivinji which identifies the tanru unit "ke carna nalci vinji ke'e" with the tanru unit "carna'ivinji". > I should have used "zei": > > =A0ti carna zei nalci zei vinji cei carna'ivinji > =A0[ ( ti ) << | carna zei nalci zei vinji | cei carna'ivinji >> ] Yes, that works, "carna zei nalci zei vinji" and "carna'ivinji" are the same lujvo. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.