From 3Z1O1SwcJELsmzumftxhnbjm.dpnmpkcbo-cfhjoofsthpphmfhspvqt.dpn@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 19:16:30 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Z1O1SwcJELsmzumftxhnbjm.dpnmpkcbo-cfhjoofsthpphmfhspvqt.dpn@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxWQr-00088j-3n for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:16:29 -0700 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1sf1979934gwb.16 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:16:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=KTdb0x6MK00c9WniryaSheZ+ktUey+QwjRpfnd2wKyA=; b=fCOSPsB36YohNGYckAranzP9WFbIc4iVmL2ISIvIEArF9qMFgJolx/WFGHkOs/cpRq Iom6nG91MfnJAyr+RsWQ2SYPYygBpm8d2jXPemXcl80/zJ10mdIzM7J/cwtSlj7dmQlH zjwHrM0C0BocMLiF7/tTx1rmWkxYFu7W0oZ3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=hGsdxypeUwXXpI/dPk8cTDNmyJSMMrXEj0jJ2qwjqTvTsaJgmb62bbwhX899ioxUcY ymmDfd1W3zDEcUjGGiHLLa/OvCZaLbIXMqsNRny3JEQaf9VPfmMWaYA8XzJaL9hiJ/1D KQ5BQYiMSJ/s/UuGqmfe1EyTrdBTxxaW7BPNs= Received: by 10.101.136.22 with SMTP id o22mr61817ann.28.1270174567049; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:16:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.248.13 with SMTP id v13ls358967agh.7.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.24.19 with SMTP id b19mr2339453agj.11.1270174560835; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.24.19 with SMTP id b19mr2339427agj.11.1270174559732; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com (mail-yw0-f187.google.com [209.85.211.187]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si94999yxe.11.2010.04.01.19.15.58; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.187 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.187; Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so1172475ywh.20 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.242.9 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB47D32.3000306@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:15:58 -0400 Received: by 10.101.199.23 with SMTP id b23mr4158718anq.206.1270174558405; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.187 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/3d4d85db7f52f826 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68deca65b437b0483378f77 --0016e68deca65b437b0483378f77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general pattern on smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect". stevo On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just spent > 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However, after > looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in the gismu > list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: > > Gunka to be left as is. > > Rinka: > rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 > lo rinka - an effect's cause > lo se rinka - an effect caused > lo te rinka - a condition of an effect > Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,) will > make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant future. > Would that I could do it, this would already have happened. > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. >> >> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: >> > Heya, >> > >> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by myself, so I >> > decided to ask first. >> > lo rinka - a cause >> > lo gasnu - a cause >> > lo se rinka - something caused >> > lo se gasnu - something caused >> > >> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that would be >> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about" (as >> > vensa suggested). >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > mu'o mi'e timos >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some genera= l pattern on smart.fm, but it seems it woul= d be more normal as "a caused effect".
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stevo

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just = spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However= , after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in t= he gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication:
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Gunka to be left as is.
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Rinka:
rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x= 3
lo rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0an effect's cause
lo se rinka=A0-=A0= an effect caused
lo te rinka=A0-=A0=A0a condition of an effect
Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,)= will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant = future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened.
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Good job finding that duplicatio= n. I'll take a look.

On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wro= te:
> Heya,
>
> I didn't feel like I should just go a= head and edit items by myself, so I
> decided to ask first.
> lo rinka - a cause
> lo gasnu - a = cause
> lo se rinka - something caused
> lo se gasnu - somethin= g caused
>
> i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer&= quot; (not an agent, that would be
> lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about&q= uot; (as
> vensa suggested).
>
> Thoughts?
> mu'= ;o mi'e timos
>
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