From 3pBi2SwAAEL4psnfer-fikmrrivwksskpikvsytw.gsq@groups.bounces.google.com Fri Apr 02 09:18:01 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3pBi2SwAAEL4psnfer-fikmrrivwksskpikvsytw.gsq@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxjZG-0000u9-7w for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:18:00 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf579287pwi.16 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=s9meCBMnxQS2M4T5d10x3QmcXSNfSmy3i4cjsRolbww=; b=OOMy0uX/QQDIAujhhADhP9T1Y4JEzuISJL9SerW3WSrCN8YjI7+Ts7En/eMJwz2pNp U1KnLB4RSgRn1Wnf+LpTKitHO9o8KoYrr7fLvS7qLULYBEWQKHb8gLfid4EgO/bRBmUh fuGKCuNidCL1HaiVT7/2IEbLjBOs9KSyxQRKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Iusv2FZvCvT8/gi7g6bL5U92hg9WniWV1DK9MFrBpFOL0PEBmYeJ3ZkLW3ghc00nPk FIGKJQjMMIcwSFl3g65gGOmSqUJV6gvMClSWZ7fQYVmqi36i3/emev/DE1eV8UilIvZF CsE1UMRhCkHnmiKqJygvbFRPXjx1d6uo8N0pk= Received: by 10.142.247.2 with SMTP id u2mr57401wfh.29.1270225060254; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.250.36 with SMTP id x36ls526712wfh.2.p; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.20.42 with SMTP id x42mr379606wfi.17.1270225058142; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.20.42 with SMTP id x42mr379605wfi.17.1270225058116; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f178.google.com (mail-pv0-f178.google.com [74.125.83.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1985932pzk.4.2010.04.02.09.17.37; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.178; Received: by mail-pv0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 4so900958pvg.9 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.154.21 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:17:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1f1080831003101520r1e87f21cuacb4cd23fa9a2d4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:17:36 -0400 Received: by 10.142.5.42 with SMTP id 42mr826183wfe.272.1270225057001; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Duration questions From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/8a645652df58adca X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/2444a1d0fd0b884e Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 BTW, I should be clear that xorxes' understanding of the use ZEhA+SUMTI construction *is* that of the CLL (see chapter 10, section 12, jst before section 12.11), and (for once ;-) ) my claim is the deviant one. So you will be official if you use ze'i ko'a, ze'a ko'a, ze'u ko'a to all mean the same thing for any given value of ko'a, despite the illogic of having different cmavo meaning the exact same thing when specified, but different things when not specified, and using ze'e ko'a to always mean "the entire span of the universe's past and future existence", for ANY value of ko'a, despite the illogic of specification meaning absolutely nothing. So you will excuse me for trying to bring logic to a "logical language" :-D --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.