From 3IyK2SwcJEEcn7nxw31pvjru.lxvuxskjw-knprwwn01pxxpunp0x3y1.lxv@groups.bounces.google.com Fri Apr 02 09:58:35 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f146.google.com ([209.85.210.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3IyK2SwcJEEcn7nxw31pvjru.lxvuxskjw-knprwwn01pxxpunp0x3y1.lxv@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxkCT-0002pe-Hk for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:35 -0700 Received: by yxe10 with SMTP id 10sf1930941yxe.16 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=z6Jw2LL7dsatTqjbPvBnhM+vFpIXSSsFAXqMp1xlkNk=; b=nfD5Xw0zjfSoSQuaoADDP1Ysv+TevK+gGktZ5m/bCIYiErPMGLmFS2J2/9KVSYwAya DaalVlGiC1UgYITyEPVjV7I1R1YWhD8qZYdr+hcce76ldnn0xEI5jYU8+O1x0NMdtkr4 lo4d2t4mK6yS22eRso63l/gb69ASjDOME7gLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=O8EmwKFRuO4C8/kEZCGOhdpeproPHycoARVkqMYSaU+jKx2gfa/nj9y1v8GiLXpxGR AOey4ytGdxvpMjxwVEUU1tTbm8lrw27w8y4AR/5XWv0175J7ZwcUfW84FneixfOMjBfH DoRb0ZyJmjLspRpN9e4LcZRyNdnpy7Zma0U6E= Received: by 10.91.91.8 with SMTP id t8mr352045agl.16.1270227491499; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.87 with SMTP id 23ls1051433bky.0.p; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.18.79 with SMTP id v15mr141956bka.15.1270227488882; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.18.79 with SMTP id v15mr141954bka.15.1270227488831; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f51.google.com (mail-ww0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v26si9633666bkt.3.2010.04.02.09.58.07; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.51; Received: by mail-ww0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 34so1442254wwb.24 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB47D32.3000306@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:58:07 -0600 Received: by 10.216.172.70 with SMTP id s48mr1334235wel.114.1270227487544; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/4749fd8d8ff9e831 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64983602de849048343e2f8 --0016e64983602de849048343e2f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that every entry contains the ginsmu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for example, is "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination". On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general pattern on > smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect". > > stevo > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just spent >> 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However, after >> looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in the gismu >> list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: >> >> Gunka to be left as is. >> >> Rinka: >> rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 >> lo rinka - an effect's cause >> lo se rinka - an effect caused >> lo te rinka - a condition of an effect >> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,) >> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant >> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened. >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. >>> >>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: >>> > Heya, >>> > >>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by myself, so >>> I >>> > decided to ask first. >>> > lo rinka - a cause >>> > lo gasnu - a cause >>> > lo se rinka - something caused >>> > lo se gasnu - something caused >>> > >>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that would be >>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about" (as >>> > vensa suggested). >>> > >>> > Thoughts? >>> > mu'o mi'e timos >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e64983602de849048343e2f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.f= m is that every entry contains the ginsmu's keyword. So {lo=A0se klama}= , for example, is "a=A0destination gone to", as opposed to merely= "a destination".

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com= > wrote:
Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some genera= l pattern on smart.fm, b= ut it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect".
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stevo

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just = spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However= , after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in t= he gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication:
=A0
Gunka to be left as is.
=A0
Rinka:
rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x= 3
lo rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0an effect's cause
lo se rinka=A0-=A0= an effect caused
lo te rinka=A0-=A0=A0a condition of an effect
Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,)= will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant = future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened.
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Good job finding that duplicatio= n. I'll take a look.

On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wro= te:
> Heya,
>
> I didn't feel like I should just go a= head and edit items by myself, so I
> decided to ask first.
> lo rinka - a cause
> lo gasnu - a = cause
> lo se rinka - something caused
> lo se gasnu - somethin= g caused
>
> i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer&= quot; (not an agent, that would be
> lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about&q= uot; (as
> vensa suggested).
>
> Thoughts?
> mu'= ;o mi'e timos
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