From 3oCK2SwoJEMQttvvkwlsk2qwksv.mywvytlkx-loqsxxo12qyyqvoq1y4z2.myw@groups.bounces.google.com Fri Apr 02 10:00:40 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f141.google.com ([209.85.211.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3oCK2SwoJEMQttvvkwlsk2qwksv.mywvytlkx-loqsxxo12qyyqvoq1y4z2.myw@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxkEV-00032g-6u for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:40 -0700 Received: by ywh5 with SMTP id 5sf3057322ywh.25 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0sfjbECbA2jxkaHLJbbAFfY4xDjDmkaGasVxR+VxSUY=; b=C3blDjyN784BmENuR15j1jwevnI7ysZL+jLmoRy2nLDUUqAGkSE59CtBduClFd8o9z NElsJFVf0plFynAU5OmFxXxEgw8it1vCzIcYEdfMLP45hCHlWkgoPI44PwvJ5SJ71gDS 9Rb3mwzzaJ8YXxz8B4JDQBxLoiW2G4CnEemUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vK0YAvNMlTNdJdkUsnUYnKLNQ8v+v+Bu7/QXF75Ou0pfiiIIpqRDiUGDubEKiewfQo bkdl0/8z2b++LLl8tNO9RHYSQFRZo8hTeGQtaPxbcA2k6vobr0MVpMZbpZa0BQuy90DJ 3cc2Q7X5/zYIb49BIsfgfwkMhyE9TBMoG99YA= Received: by 10.90.20.18 with SMTP id 18mr348624agt.34.1270227616476; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls1049643bkd.2.p; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.13 with SMTP id n13mr141802bkn.1.1270227613693; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.13 with SMTP id n13mr141801bkn.1.1270227613670; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f193.google.com (mail-qy0-f193.google.com [209.85.221.193]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e24si10687701bke.6.2010.04.02.10.00.12; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.193; Received: by mail-qy0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so2297701qyk.20 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.67 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1f1080831003101520r1e87f21cuacb4cd23fa9a2d4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:00:11 -0300 Received: by 10.229.239.149 with SMTP id kw21mr3769669qcb.99.1270227611846; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Duration questions From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/8a645652df58adca X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/71db32c71e24b757 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > =A0So you will be official if you use ze'i ko'a, ze'a ko'a, > ze'u ko'a to all mean the same thing for any given value of ko'a, > despite the illogic of having different cmavo meaning the exact same > thing when specified, but different things when not specified, But they don't mean the exact same thing. "ze'i" indicates that whatever the duration is, it is a short duration, and "ze'u" indicates that it is a long one. It is the exact same difference that exists between: ko'a krafamtei lo nu broda ko'a cortu krafamtei lo nu broda ko'a clani krafamtei lo nu broda ko'a cimni krafamtei lo nu broda They don't all mean the same thing, even though they all say that ko'a is the duration of the brodaing. > and > using ze'e ko'a to always mean "the entire span of the universe's past > and future existence", for ANY value of ko'a, despite the illogic of > specification meaning absolutely nothing. "ze'e ko'a" is not very useful, true, except for exageration. But then, so is "forever" in English, as in "he's been in the bathroom forever". > =A0So you will excuse me for trying to bring logic to a "logical language= " :-D I am, of course, all in favour of logic. I still don't see it in your method though. I think it breaks the normal pattern of tags. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.