From 3ezG2SwcJEK4SmScbigUaOWZ.QcaZcXPOb-PSUWbbSfgUccUZSUfcidg.Qca@groups.bounces.google.com Fri Apr 02 11:04:12 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f146.google.com ([209.85.210.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3ezG2SwcJEK4SmScbigUaOWZ.QcaZcXPOb-PSUWbbSfgUccUZSUfcidg.Qca@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxlDp-0000HH-Vx for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:04:11 -0700 Received: by yxe10 with SMTP id 10sf1983713yxe.16 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=DF0zc3u65rX8IECbhPx+unVb5oja2nBY65GzUfWD5wM=; b=MVZyo2bWWQ84u72YOrhxPtjcRlgCocZbxn/IYxpudToJ2ZHr+233iG9xPnEVGmWUUp E+f58hFd0XgU/ngJ+e+PVf7o0iOp9SES16EGe8ZwTp5k/uEP7QQ75Hma5DfXUswvWPYA OpdphG1lyr3JC1EmdFiwdTmlby57/ZAcfxTiA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EHqBa869eDeoifGSMT8cRHEJM2mLyajG+HGq3KsMHF9MWavcDFgyViVLIynIc8nWOC Lh8+rfgIuo+yJwXSNRTxQ8FYNHKSwcGKF1Jhb81qgObJweL+P+ApvC/mJ9m0lAwwrUHb ha4Asr4m75NckZ8U5APtr/7qscwetR1oblnoU= Received: by 10.91.121.9 with SMTP id y9mr358725agm.33.1270231419568; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.35.68 with SMTP id o4ls1269230bkd.1.p; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.38.76 with SMTP id a12mr147424bke.14.1270231417398; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.38.76 with SMTP id a12mr147423bke.14.1270231417328; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f173.google.com (mail-wy0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e24si10755227bke.2.2010.04.02.11.03.36; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.173; Received: by mail-wy0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 20so974934wye.4 for ; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:03:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB47D32.3000306@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:03:35 -0600 Received: by 10.216.89.84 with SMTP id b62mr1468412wef.226.1270231416016; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/c5ed5cda5686c2f9 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d97102558f6b048344cca8 --0016e6d97102558f6b048344cca8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same problems loading the edit page I am? On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that > every entry contains the ginsmu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for example, is > "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination". > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general pattern on >> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect". >> >> stevo >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just >>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However, >>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in the >>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: >>> >>> Gunka to be left as is. >>> >>> Rinka: >>> rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 >>> lo rinka - an effect's cause >>> lo se rinka - an effect caused >>> lo te rinka - a condition of an effect >>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,) >>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant >>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened. >>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. >>>> >>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: >>>> > Heya, >>>> > >>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by myself, so >>>> I >>>> > decided to ask first. >>>> > lo rinka - a cause >>>> > lo gasnu - a cause >>>> > lo se rinka - something caused >>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused >>>> > >>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that would be >>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about" (as >>>> > vensa suggested). >>>> > >>>> > Thoughts? >>>> > mu'o mi'e timos >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d97102558f6b048344cca8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same problems= loading the edit page I am?

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I've got no problems with th= at. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that every entry contains t= he ginsmu's keyword. So {lo=A0se klama}, for example, is "a=A0dest= ination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination".=20


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some genera= l pattern on smart.fm, b= ut it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect".
=A0
stevo

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just = spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However= , after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in t= he gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication:
=A0
Gunka to be left as is.
=A0
Rinka:
rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x= 3
lo rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0an effect's cause
lo se rinka=A0-=A0= an effect caused
lo te rinka=A0-=A0=A0a condition of an effect
Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,)= will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant = future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened.
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Good job finding that duplicatio= n. I'll take a look.

On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wro= te:
> Heya,
>
> I didn't feel like I should just go a= head and edit items by myself, so I
> decided to ask first.
> lo rinka - a cause
> lo gasnu - a = cause
> lo se rinka - something caused
> lo se gasnu - somethin= g caused
>
> i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer&= quot; (not an agent, that would be
> lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about&q= uot; (as
> vensa suggested).
>
> Thoughts?
> mu'= ;o mi'e timos
>
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