From lojban-beginners+bncCK30vq5WEKah_t0EGgT1dQ-a@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 13:40:34 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0L06-0000tN-45 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:33 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf1113989pwi.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=LE6/RYtf/uaSba6FCCoWCGi9I1zDcMBgJnmQTL4vXnY=; b=u23+kWEOKhPzA6mRLPv6262e5Bb4XL57qFXKQiN8vlgLF7rzyyQvEN3WKXi+wzgXVf 77n5fIGLeZxpbG5BuiAFkpMu+ixfz9FSyCzsQ2763YqD3Eb1wf1PmPjP6Hu1YLmYNXGL aGCJUQu08aoH+NrllAe/uEVKnevq1pzd+glVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=1hWYdH29owR/ejqeQeTjXOgvk5YNh2dKbGb42gjlPYRefIlf9jweLJUNp0UGvcmlQL 198Mnm9gNREUPV2z/KOUwwJmo+RsU0IyXm1BOyky1kP1TbJ9fPMHmVBZoV94xyU0Qol0 AoEnHejq0s7xpnhQBigzXi/EFFUgvg83P16ow= Received: by 10.140.82.25 with SMTP id f25mr87133rvb.8.1270845606276; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.20 with SMTP id q20ls474998rvp.3.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.37 with SMTP id g37mr106545rvb.11.1270845604099; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.37 with SMTP id g37mr106544rvb.11.1270845604063; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si320154pzk.4.2010.04.09.13.40.03; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.8; Received: (qmail 23145 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 20:40:03 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2010 20:40:03 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0Kzh-0000p6-Pl for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:40:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:40:01 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka Message-ID: <20100409204000.GH11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <4BB47D32.3000306@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/d7ff88bb7061bf8d Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as I'm sure you've noticed. I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because the important thing about gasnu is that it's agentive. I'd like to make "lo se gasnu" into "something caused by an agent", but the edit screen won't come up for that. Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant hog; I can only make it work reliably in FF. -Robin On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's good > now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way. > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same problems > > loading the edit page I am? > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that > >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for example, is > >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination". > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> > >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general pattern on > >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect". > >>> > >>> stevo > >>> > >>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >>> > >>>> Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just > >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However, > >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in the > >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: > >>>> > >>>> Gunka to be left as is. > >>>> > >>>> Rinka: > >>>> rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 > >>>> lo rinka - an effect's cause > >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused > >>>> lo te rinka - a condition of an effect > >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,) > >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant > >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened. > >>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: > >>>>> > Heya, > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by myself, > >>>>> so I > >>>>> > decided to ask first. > >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause > >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause > >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused > >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused > >>>>> > > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that would > >>>>> be > >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about" (as > >>>>> > vensa suggested). > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Thoughts? > >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups > >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>>>> . > >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>>> > >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>> > >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>>> . > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>> . > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >> > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." 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