From lojban-beginners+bncCK30vq5WEI7__t0EGgQvirK-@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 09 17:00:39 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f139.google.com ([209.85.222.139]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0O7l-0005uM-Kk for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:38 -0700 Received: by pzk3 with SMTP id 3sf171697pzk.28 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=aizk2NwK/doWt68Lqs+IniSgu3YyhenNnfK/X9h3R78=; b=MQvHHZ6pl/Z4Zxyv5YVe/v+5jvv9UR8Uy6CxrC1UnfAmz6yNmtcmuZj9ixkQYV+Vpy FVMr1LmJsJv51/iDA5Kf+VgR5iRf49Be20NgFTfvuAQHmfd4qFGaLqXDQfh2BWDKYDvw nOLCkE4b6KfAt3dULzW0Al79z34VD+eeDCWZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=3XwhUOaD+WCIvwCoAl3ZmmGgsx+0tzpWhHj41QBnrIS0SLaYlxXfRYXg0a/MrzLnMr 3LDQsSgPnTKP0osxhC8EUGn3t/O+mJnkwlMYKXq25+DP20DagWMEgt09W5jk8lBIkNeQ fi2UuXhCCN1BjC/xRmtVHBIoPhcyRux+xdcZY= Received: by 10.142.249.6 with SMTP id w6mr66211wfh.37.1270857614218; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls360342wfh.0.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.249.27 with SMTP id w27mr128057wfh.28.1270857612125; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.249.27 with SMTP id w27mr128056wfh.28.1270857612082; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si343645pzk.3.2010.04.09.17.00.11; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.10 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.10; Received: (qmail 7420 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 00:00:11 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 10 Apr 2010 00:00:11 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0O7N-0005nd-4q for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:00:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:00:09 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka Message-ID: <20100410000009.GO11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100409204000.GH11541@digitalkingdom.org> <20100409211319.GM11541@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.10 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/617c16db0139459c Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Oh, not, it's *there*. And I can click "action -> Edit". Then nothing happens except the screen goes grey. -Robin On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 03:25:38PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Hmm. Maybe it's spelled worng? Or isn't in the list anymore (accidentally > deleted)? > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > Yeah, but "lo se gasnu" still won't work for me. Everything else > > seems to. > > > > -Robin > > > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 03:09:28PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as I'm > > > > sure you've noticed. > > > > > > > > I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because the important thing > > > > about gasnu is that it's agentive. I'd like to make "lo se gasnu" > > > > into "something caused by an agent", but the edit screen won't come > > > > up for that. > > > > > > > > Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant hog; I > > > > can only make it work reliably in FF. > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. It very nearly kills my processor. I was able to pull up all four > > of > > > the rinka items by just putting "rinka" in the search text- maybe that'll > > > help? > > > > > > > > > > > -Robin > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > > I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's > > > > good > > > > > now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same > > > > problems > > > > > > loading the edit page I am? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is > > that > > > > > >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for > > > > example, is > > > > > >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination". > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general > > pattern > > > > on > > > > > >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused > > effect". > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> stevo > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones < > > eyeonus@gmail.com > > > > >wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I > > just > > > > > >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past > > 61%. > > > > However, > > > > > >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they > > are > > > > in the > > > > > >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Gunka to be left as is. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Rinka: > > > > > >>>> rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 > > > > > >>>> lo rinka - an effect's cause > > > > > >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused > > > > > >>>> lo te rinka - a condition of an effect > > > > > >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means > > > > Robin,) > > > > > >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully > > > > not-too-distant > > > > > >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have > > happened. > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones < > > > > eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > Heya, > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by > > > > myself, > > > > > >>>>> so I > > > > > >>>>> > decided to ask first. > > > > > >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause > > > > > >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause > > > > > >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused > > > > > >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that > > > > would > > > > > >>>>> be > > > > > >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought > > about" > > > > (as > > > > > >>>>> > vensa suggested). > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > Thoughts? > > > > > >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > -- > > > > > >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > Google > > > > > >>>>> Groups > > > > > >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > > >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > > >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> . > > > > > >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > Google > > > > > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > > > > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> . > > > > > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > Google > > > > Groups > > > > > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > > >>> To post to this group, send email to > > > > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> . > > > > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > > > > > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > > > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > > > > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > > *** > > > > http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > > . > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/*** > > http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.