From lojban-beginners+bncCM2f06edBBD994XeBBoEPUJ4Zg@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 11 00:36:42 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0rif-0005qn-WC; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:36:42 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf2482468gwj.16 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:36:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date :x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent:received:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=W1lGq0a3ps9YDK+JzbiAI4JpPPuneLcBFJkypMIHooY=; b=RkRpAzZbB9f427yqyPbg5rsiXhtNbyGCb1FZKO8/yITcxW6T0GGI3BgsN2teB7SAGa NHW1v0VJUUz9TYXhB6Cr4sBGTg337871QWMCpp4U7Z/3oIx0+5Ge8HlrzRRaz6oMNCqF YfXFOkSXJ/m0ZoM+jiELEIMIy/ct7synGcfjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=S50OYU5CmNby/OBbheG+epVe3RgPw+PxpKFV3ldR1FzK43dPXmKOUfUBT7Tg5xOIQU xJy69Ixp0rRLYllJNVx44qAWQTFHa0gVM0+YbbgeoVt2wvEjcsttcHx+KmtWDadsg/i/ KkjskryGfcAvmWf2NLmMZfqBUg2PqlvJek0Lg= Received: by 10.150.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr65237ybe.20.1270971389473; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:36:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.17.15 with SMTP id u15ls228285ybi.0.p; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.214.21 with SMTP id m21mr2537301ybg.18.1270971388407; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.42.40 with SMTP id p40mr2198949agp.3.1270962377550; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.42.40 with SMTP id p40mr2198948agp.3.1270962377521; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com (mail-gx0-f198.google.com [209.85.217.198]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si273463gxk.4.2010.04.10.22.06.17; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.217.198 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of bnansel@internode.on.net) client-ip=209.85.217.198; Received: by mail-gx0-f198.google.com with SMTP id 22so1086499gxk.4 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:06:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:06:17 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 121.45.91.226 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_2; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.22.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Safari/531.22.7,gzip(gfe) Received: by 10.151.18.3 with SMTP id v3mr64158ybi.17.1270962377203; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 22:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <65acaf76-6714-432b-8ffd-c4fcb99a809e@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Biting off way more than I can chew -- and loving it! From: Gearhead Shem Tov To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.217.198 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of bnansel@internode.on.net) smtp.mail=bnansel@internode.on.net X-Original-Sender: bnansel@internode.on.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/cb7dd695a460ac23 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/68d78018fa2483b8 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is my first post about lojban ever. I'm a Yank expat living in Adelaide, South Australia. I'm a recovering engineer, a published SF author, and I'm currently studying to be a sculptor (long story...). I'm also a dire lojban newbie, and after years of furtive peeks at the language, I want to finally make a serious attempt to learn it. I propose as my first foray into lojbanistan a short story translation. In the spirit of "anything worth doing is worth overdoing" and since I have a science fiction writerly disposition, the logical point of departure for me would be to translate a substantial SF story. I have studied a couple languages very different to English -- two years each of Japanese and German, with a smattering of Hebrew, Russian, Spanish, and Swedish (and FORTRAN, Pascal, Modula 2, and Forth :), so I know this project is very ambitious. I figure I'll take it a sentence at a time with the notion that I'll have to ask lots of naive questions and my translations will be crap at the outset. As I progress I hope my questions will become monotonically more interesting and the translation correspondingly smoother. To keep me motivated I would probably blog the whole process (unless somebody has a better suggestion); perhaps other beginners would find such a blog of interest. But what story to translate? I wouldn't want to use any of my own published stories (my ego is large, but not that large). It would need to be another author's story, a story that I admire that is either in the public domain or the translation rights to which I could easily obtain. It would be a bonus if the story had something to do with linguistics and translation, something that would force me to thoroughly grasp lojban meta-language constructs beyond learning workaday gismu, cmene, and cmavo. By chance a few days ago I came across my favourite H. Beam Piper story online, Omnilingual from Astounding Stories, 1957. To my astonishment I found it is available as a Project Gutenberg text. It's some 16K words -- about 1K sentences. OK, so it's more a novella than a short story. Still, I reckon it would take me a year if I average three sentences per day. So, here is Naive Question # 1 (NQ1): In my cursory reading of lojban orthography I've found no instance of an mn consonant cluster, but neither have I found a rule clearly forbidding it. Would .OMni.LINguyl. be a reasonable -- or even legal -- lojbanisation of "Omnilingual"? Or would it need to be more like .omyniLINguyl. ? Thanks! -Bobby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.