From lojban-beginners+bncCK30vq5WEO_8hd4EGgQ_rYkH@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 11 00:47:12 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0rsl-0006Fc-QR; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:47:12 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf1297257pvb.16 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=nEpBYpSIAfXjwTmN/kdsw0M98u9pex8Py3xuEjHLFLw=; b=I2WLV1YDcXOCFHAGGqVV37Fe6UmgPUqVmJYPwqBwGk6w9Dd4Qj9FbeVH9Iha3gDk8r i3lmteUdukXWJzBMh9wVxykHjLX6fmg6fzLYQ+yhgnQ106gh2FkBtn1pRjen4VyxB1zw WvqcH4J63d5vGwv8CzkoAPT0DZosocGjPYEN8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=Wdew485PXnemNiN1gVI3yoLSU0On7HXWl1tPT9vA/k/BrPfn9PfSL3YMknwsLB/H65 oMgPte9FbDZ7m9BTAs+YZQ9ShTsUaNwE8Cnmn03+5/QGyRlVLWn53KUYZ1OI64aVABCK c1gfVCnOAaQj7SWsQkDyYMtFn3DzVvHWBUtvo= Received: by 10.115.100.14 with SMTP id c14mr153680wam.9.1270972015782; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.135.31 with SMTP id m31ls607304wan.1.p; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.242.13 with SMTP id p13mr424382wah.7.1270972014260; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.242.13 with SMTP id p13mr424380wah.7.1270972014120; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si630080pzk.15.2010.04.11.00.46.53; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.7; Received: (qmail 27171 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 07:46:53 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Apr 2010 07:46:53 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0rsZ-0006FX-TJ for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:46:51 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Biting off way more than I can chew -- and loving it! Message-ID: <20100411074651.GB20647@digitalkingdom.org> References: <65acaf76-6714-432b-8ffd-c4fcb99a809e@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <65acaf76-6714-432b-8ffd-c4fcb99a809e@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.7 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/cb7dd695a460ac23 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/ba58ffa311b5c580 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 10:06:17PM -0700, Gearhead Shem Tov wrote: > To keep me motivated I would probably blog the whole process > (unless somebody has a better suggestion); perhaps other beginners > would find such a blog of interest. This seems likely. > But what story to translate? I wouldn't want to use any of my own > published stories (my ego is large, but not that large). I very much encourage you to do so; Lojban is short on original fiction (my own http://www.lojban.org/tiki/la+nicte+cadzu is the only piece more than a few paragraphs I'm aware of, in fact, but I'm probably missing something), and while that's not exactyl the same, it's pretty close. > It would need to be another author's story, a story that I admire > that is either in the public domain or the translation rights to > which I could easily obtain. Various people have looked at the "John Carter Of Mars" stuff; I think some has already been done. Lovecraft is also popular. > By chance a few days ago I came across my favourite H. Beam Piper > story online, Omnilingual from Astounding Stories, 1957. To my > astonishment I found it is available as a Project Gutenberg text. > > It's some 16K words -- about 1K sentences. OK, so it's more a > novella than a short story. Still, I reckon it would take me a > year if I average three sentences per day. Neat! Good luck. > So, here is Naive Question # 1 (NQ1): > > In my cursory reading of lojban orthography I've found no instance > of an mn consonant cluster, kamni committee x1 (mass) is a committee with task/purpose x2 of body x3 [board of directors/trustees/cabinet (= trukamni, gritrukamni)] (cf. bende, kagni) > but neither have I found a rule clearly forbidding it. Would > .OMni.LINguyl. be a reasonable -- or even legal -- lojbanisation > of "Omnilingual"? I wouldn't put the "." in the middle, and the capitals are redundant. It's actually the "uy" thing I'm not sure about, although it's probably legal in names. The other option is pseudo-meaningful coining, like {.rolselbang.} (the brivla form would be {rolselbau}; ro + se + bangu). -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.