From 3I9-0SwcJEAMh1hrqxvjpdlo.frpormedq-ehjlqqhuvjrrjohjurxsv.frp@groups.bounces.google.com Thu Apr 01 11:00:28 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f144.google.com ([209.85.210.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3I9-0SwcJEAMh1hrqxvjpdlo.frpormedq-ehjlqqhuvjrrjohjurxsv.frp@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NxOgp-0006Jd-2q for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:00:27 -0700 Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8sf855199yxe.25 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=QzxsjY39j+GPLRWyvxugSBfh+wu74HtvsgwCAE9Uxbo=; b=55nS0m1ZjYg9YISerMrVxPiC9HHeQN7qfuLsWu9PN/GXLsKfTPGU1EiQAytAXHAuK3 Jt/SLuvii4AAQRjaBQvkn5dIWPdZraDErlPGVqswrDWWjv3FFFiBVwi0e12m/nzwjXJU nJKvhhE37uifAdOOmVdwc2kHKYZJ45GEvHj3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LTxm/rpBxfJbLh6f8uuBy0RuVbnDiN1i8QyYjgdr5Y0mrv25Zwf/5Rf330b7cAzAGk Xsolo6u0yp1Q/rTJR7jRnZfAlZY6gAZ+oIod4VTad60mKX3vWJfNBKqpLuf+h2jFJhbo 76jvSkLAr1BQcHrsM7f38B4SLJXVc/5f+N4LQ= Received: by 10.91.93.10 with SMTP id v10mr199541agl.18.1270144803427; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.77 with SMTP id 13ls771424bky.3.p; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr79151bkx.12.1270144801647; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr79120bkx.12.1270144771629; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h3si2107369bke.0.2010.04.01.10.59.30; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by wwb18 with SMTP id 18so925840wwb.14 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:59:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:59:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB47D32.3000306@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:59:30 -0600 Received: by 10.216.156.209 with SMTP id m59mr613440wek.105.1270144770339; Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/b3f1579540e85c99 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e648ace8d975020483309f87 --0016e648ace8d975020483309f87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However, after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in the gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: Gunka to be left as is. Rinka: rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 lo rinka - an effect's cause lo se rinka - an effect caused lo te rinka - a condition of an effect Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,) will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. > > On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: > > Heya, > > > > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by myself, so I > > decided to ask first. > > lo rinka - a cause > > lo gasnu - a cause > > lo se rinka - something caused > > lo se gasnu - something caused > > > > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that would be > > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about" (as > > vensa suggested). > > > > Thoughts? > > mu'o mi'e timos > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just = spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However= , after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in t= he gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication:
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Gunka to be left as is.
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Rinka:
rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x= 3
lo rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0an effect's cause
lo se rinka=A0-=A0= an effect caused
lo te rinka=A0-=A0=A0a condition of an effect
Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,)= will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant = future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened.
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
Good job finding that duplicatio= n. I'll take a look.

On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:> Heya,
>
> I didn't feel like I should just go ahead = and edit items by myself, so I
> decided to ask first.
> lo rinka - a cause
> lo gasnu - a = cause
> lo se rinka - something caused
> lo se gasnu - somethin= g caused
>
> i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer&= quot; (not an agent, that would be
> lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about&q= uot; (as
> vensa suggested).
>
> Thoughts?
> mu'= ;o mi'e timos
>
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