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2010/4/15 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>
@luke I recall reading somewhere that these three are equi= valent:

da de gismu
da gismu de
gism= u da de

First two are equivalen= t. Third is something called "observative", close to=A0 "zo&= #39;e <selbri> da de". To be the equivalent it should be "&= lt;selbri> fa da de".

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