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From: Ross Ogilvie To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.192 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/a7c60799c6822be5 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001e680f08c0a3cbd604844519cf --001e680f08c0a3cbd604844519cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Oren wrote: > > Isn't that what the observatives are for? > > =ABnu mi klama=BB is that, "look, [the event of] me coming" > (=B1tense/aspect/whatever). > > "The event of me going" is not an observative, and I'm not sure what > you're saying with '(=B1tense/aspect/whatever).' Could you spell it out > for me? > > I don't know about the other things in this conversation, but this I learnt the other day. { nu ... A... kei } bundles up a bridi A into a selbri whic= h has a place structure "x1 is state/process/achievement/activity of [bridi]"= . In this case { mi klama} is a bridi and then { nu } bundles it up into a selbri. So it is an observative, since { nu mi klama [kei] } is a selbri an= d there is no x1 sumti before nu. mu'o mi'e ros. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --001e680f08c0a3cbd604844519cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
> Isn't that what the observatives are for?
> =ABnu mi klama=BB is that, "look, [the event of] me coming" = (=B1tense/aspect/whatever).

"The event of me going" is not an observative, and I'm = not sure what
you're saying with '(=B1tense/aspect/whatever).' Could you spel= l it out
for me?


I don't know about the other thin= gs in this conversation, but this I learnt the other day. { nu ... A...=A0 = kei } bundles up a bridi A into a selbri which has a place structure "= x1 is state/process/achievement/activity of [bridi]"<= /font>. In this case { mi klama} is a bridi and then { nu } bundles it up i= nto a selbri. So it is an observative, since { nu mi klama [kei] } is a sel= bri and there is no x1 sumti before nu.

mu'o mi'e ros.

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