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From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.215 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/26a2d3f252926284 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dbe6d25d4bcb0484457118 --0016e6dbe6d25d4bcb0484457118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/15 Oren > [an observative] ... and wish to quickly communicate > it to someone else.=93 > And (IMO) "Remember, I'm coming" is just the case, "I" wishes to communicat= e the =ABfact of his coming=BB to someone (who is supposed to remember that; = I've skipped it). > I'm not sure what > you're saying with '(=B1tense/aspect/whatever).' Could you spell it out > for me? > Never mind. I'm just not sure, whether the "i'm coming" means "ca'o klama", or "ba mo'u klama", or something else. I don't think you understand my question. I think, you have not understood my answer. Excuse me for that, please. I'm trying to say, that the fact of By communicates something to Cy already means, that By wants Cy to "make note". Otherwise By can just shut up, clea= r an already said with "su", or emit a direct order, like "ko co'u morji". That already gives us both ends of the scale, unless we need something like " I'm coming!". Do we need it? And (ta'o ... ta'onai) is quite close to middle of the scale, "I'd say that, but let's focus on other thing". similar to other BAI attitudinals. My question is: is there really no > attitudinal or cmavo for this concept? My syllogism is: if there is > not, then I wish to propose it as an experimental cmavo. So, AFAIK we don't have a distinct word. 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2010/4/15 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>
[an observative] ... and wish to quickly communicate
it to someone else.=93

And (IMO) "Remember, I= 'm coming" is just the case, "I" wishes to communicate t= he =ABfact of his coming=BB to someone (who is supposed to remember that; I= 've skipped it).
=A0
I'm = not sure what
you're saying with '(=B1tense/aspect/whatever).' Could you spel= l it out
for me?

Never mind. I'm just not sure, whether= the "i'm coming" means "ca'o klama", or "= ba mo'u klama", or something else.

I don't think you understand my question.

I think= , you have not understood my answer. Excuse me for that, please. I'm tr= ying to say, that the fact of By communicates something to Cy already means= , that By wants Cy to "make note". Otherwise By can just shut up,= clear an already said with "su", or emit a direct order, like &q= uot;ko co'u morji". That already gives us both ends of the scale, = unless we need something like "<attention=3D2.718> I'm comin= g!". Do we need it? And (ta'o ... ta'onai) is quite close to m= iddle of the scale, "I'd say that, but let's focus on other th= ing".

similar to other BAI attitudinals. My question is: is there really no
attitudinal or cmavo for this concept? My syllogism is: if there is
not, then I wish to propose it as an experimental cmavo.=A0

So, AFAIK=A0 we don't have a distinct word. And, probably, do not= need, as the other things have the same effect.



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