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From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.213 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/fc68c469bde82fd1 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb2c85c57370484474440 --0015175cb2c85c57370484474440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/4/15 Oren > In Chinese there are a slew of common everyday verbs > {=B6=A3=A1=A2=B6=A3=D6=F6=A1=A2=D6=F6=B8=C0=A1=A2=B4=F2=B7=A2} and partic= les {=C5=B6=A1=A2=E0=DE=A1=A2=B9=FE} that denote/mark an attitude of > exhortation or reminder, and I don't know how to express this > distinctly in lojban, which is unsettling to me. > Unfortunately, I can't even imagine, what does "=C5=B6=A1=A2=E0=DE=A1=A2=B9= =FE" means to native Chinese. So, my guess: native jbopre, urged to express some exact attitude, not yet covered by the vocabulary, will use "sei" or "to", describing it. "sei mojgau joi pacmi'a mi klama". Unless it becomes too cumbersome (that relates to the length of the utterance, i've mentioned) and common. As I see, "never mind" is "covered", "remember" is "not too cumbersome", and <> can take some dozens of yea= rs, if what I've read about Chinese is true. pass. --=20 mu'o mi'e lex --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --0015175cb2c85c57370484474440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/4/15 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>
In Chinese there are a slew of common everyday verbs
{=B6=A3=A1=A2=B6=A3=D6=F6=A1=A2=D6=F6=B8=C0=A1=A2=B4=F2=B7=A2} and particle= s {=C5=B6=A1=A2=E0=DE=A1=A2=B9=FE} that denote/mark an attitude of
exhortation or reminder, and I don't know how to express this
distinctly in lojban, which is unsettling to me.

<= br>Unfortunately, I can't even imagine, what does "=C5=B6=A1=A2= =E0=DE=A1=A2=B9=FE" means to native Chinese. So, my guess: native jbop= re, urged to express some exact attitude, not yet covered by the vocabulary= , will use "sei" or "to", describing it. "sei mojg= au joi pacmi'a mi klama". Unless it becomes too cumbersome (that r= elates to the length of the utterance, i've mentioned) and common. As I= see, "never mind" is "covered", "remember" = is "not too cumbersome", and «me grasping the "=C5=B6= =A1=A2=E0=DE=A1=A2=B9=FE"» can take some dozens of years, if wh= at I've read about Chinese is true. pass.

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