From lojban-beginners+bncCO2N0YfCFhDihfPeBBoEi-Toog@googlegroups.com Sat May 01 17:10:26 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O8MlI-0005g0-Jv; Sat, 01 May 2010 17:10:25 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf586600gxk.4 for ; Sat, 01 May 2010 17:10:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :reply-to:subject:mime-version:date:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+1SA0/KmyDCpvZXytTJjBT5jH2trd+IEyYNLsbjNOew=; b=1fYHhmt7WS77vDRPkRdKQQ+axsValp8GHSFKRJnxWeAFbYjiSxURfYAVu8x+ot0o1p Zn8ZFBcrfV8TSu+m4ydsWC9JUl9N7BiczjtU8P0WY3fpNcx5b9TkOA/4rgGwzXPTZ5ZE 7KJHJfOevFZDp/PxszY9pXfErrAmBUbaCHdZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :reply-to:subject:mime-version:date:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=lemfsaKBRWu20Bixo4A0i6V4r0xn11RJHnsaIPyVnMDCKF5nckRqB0vQg3+fgeEPI8 LnJykLYyLTSWb2KZoJT3kYC7WvaviI2lDIDHwwuPDzP3H/1j8cnYTkC7gx2za+p1aRME NwklzHFCgl4038XOSebb+Mgfckv5IpTp8TbwY= Received: by 10.91.56.20 with SMTP id i20mr744967agk.22.1272759010933; Sat, 01 May 2010 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.63.148 with SMTP id b20ls39389384ibi.3.p; Sat, 01 May 2010 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.151.211 with SMTP id d19mr967776ibw.9.1272759009973; Sat, 01 May 2010 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.151.211 with SMTP id d19mr967775ibw.9.1272759009945; Sat, 01 May 2010 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kcout01.prserv.net (kcout01.prserv.net [12.154.55.31]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si397775iwn.6.2010.05.01.17.10.09; Sat, 01 May 2010 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning kpreid@mac.com does not designate 12.154.55.31 as permitted sender) client-ip=12.154.55.31; Received: from [192.168.0.101] (cpe-72-228-72-196.twcny.res.rr.com[72.228.72.196]) by prserv.net (kcout01) with SMTP id <2010050200100920100ncq9de> (Authid: usinet.kpreid); Sun, 2 May 2010 00:10:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [72.228.72.196] Message-Id: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> From: Kevin Reid To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:10:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning kpreid@mac.com does not designate 12.154.55.31 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kpreid@mac.com X-Original-Sender: kpreid@mac.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes I propose to change the English text for the following gismu place items in the "Lojban gismu" smart.fm goal as follows: lo se djica something desired => a state desired To emphasize that lo se djica is not a physical object. lo te troci a method of trial => a method tried The existing wording sounds like "a method of testing", not "the way we tried to do it". lo se troci something tried => ??? This seems misleading in that it sounds like "I tried a new food" or similar. "something tried for" would be better, but I don't quite like it. lo te jimpe a subject of something understood => a subject understood about Trying to make the relation clearer. Please let me know if you disapprove of these changes. -- Kevin Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.