From lojban-beginners+bncCOzcnrWBFBDmpKbfBBoEVRViKg@googlegroups.com Tue May 11 10:23:03 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBtAW-000274-9T; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:23:02 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf4004157gwj.16 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Wf+PpfHgnfzjSjQ2xEghGAhpmyT4RS1R2VBEKl8TdlI=; b=oOV8WQv6ryidCm/e2UIOVYaDcKFiT8iQ892YXL+3HkrBDbi7OPgW+WSLrlws9NywM7 CdwX9gvDd1KsFh1VNLTQkVLWaymaNhWcM1d1aP4rB9sgONCXBeWmThGoMPfjpAJbIssb Vw82YmseEWLgqvekcZSa064GSx78lUlAd7ymE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=zb2QG+fwY2q1TKfZjc91LrmMzoDOoCjU5tRfLHwion+68D+f+Cxw0e1c1rHsGkTHVj F7f+ORFxmFDiHZQgGpYce7by6V8c59PuqHlWyF9uQQB/ceYBOBHjxiTlXq/dF5CRqDza bWcc6tM2uEM0/WWjfsh8AYjtGbSpLjtNhbO6Y= Received: by 10.150.234.1 with SMTP id g1mr808786ybh.16.1273598566946; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.160.35 with SMTP id m35ls2617788ano.2.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.19.30 with SMTP id 30mr658088ans.10.1273598565358; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.19.30 with SMTP id 30mr658086ans.10.1273598565326; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f227.google.com (mail-gx0-f227.google.com [209.85.217.227]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si665080yxe.5.2010.05.11.10.22.44; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.227 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.227; Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so4610393gxk.1 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.217.204 with SMTP id hn12mr4347415qcb.100.1273598563904; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.42.202 with HTTP; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BE97DBB.4060404@perpetuum-immobile.de> References: <4BE97DBB.4060404@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 18:22:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] sei vs to From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pascal.akihiko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362842cafcee94048654c5bf --0016362842cafcee94048654c5bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 11 May 2010 16:54, Timo Paulssen wrote: > tijlan wrote: > > {sei} and {to}... When should we use which? What is the difference > between a > > discursive element and a parenthetical element? > > > > mu'o mi'e tijlan > > In my experience, a sei is more special. You can use it in place of > words like {pe'i}, {ka'u}, {ja'o} and friends. So in la alis you will > find a sentence like {ma prali sei la alis pensi fi lo cukta be cau lo > pixra} or something similar. > (I guess {secau}, not {cau}.) But there have been {sei sa'a ...} as well, with the attitudinal indicating that the sei part is being inserted by the editor/narrator. This means that the expression bracketed by {sei} is not necessarily the editor/narrator's voice. {ma prali sei la alis pensi} could be Alice's narrating her own action. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016362842cafcee94048654c5bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 11 May 2010 16:54, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perp= etuum-immobile.de> wrote:
tijlan wrote:
> {sei} and {to}... When should we use which? What is the difference bet= ween a
> discursive element and a parenthetical element?
>
> mu'o mi'e tijlan

In my experience, a sei is more special. You can use it in plac= e of
words like {pe'i}, {ka'u}, {ja'o} and friends. So in la alis yo= u will
find a sentence like {ma prali sei la alis pensi fi lo cukta be cau lo
pixra} or something similar.

(I guess {secau}, not= {cau}.)

But there have been {sei sa'a ...} as well, with the at= titudinal indicating that the sei part is being inserted by the editor/narr= ator. This means that the expression bracketed by {sei} is not necessarily = the editor/narrator's voice. {ma prali sei la alis pensi} could be Alic= e's narrating her own action.