From lojban-beginners+bncCLi-v_X3FRC8rqffBBoEaiYmYQ@googlegroups.com Tue May 11 15:16:44 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBxkk-0001CX-8A; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:16:44 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf1400301pwi.16 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:organization:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=FD4JSZFik/1rZGbZ2tixrtdRc5TCuwfGIKKhQbKoaOc=; b=NejoANe+h/yxjLcZ1SmQgNUB0BDBE0dY47SM1tuVB7+mZaKpztKAFZkazINFcl74N0 A+4+KOrtqEV9XBYrPjK5OnFHHWuc4MnR3sa3n/ANzKq3xEhA5ksYC/Xjcq5lTs1kynKo OoH4v0EwGMWj/o45ijQSqIw3+twTVtKsD3m/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:organization :user-agent:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=o3PU09yBdSuXw33nq/+kMe3oKKVB90T2OWeb/SN8A3m9+BKP8e5ZiKk1S5/UgdHcHj FBW5XEDQRFQR1kEINl96DYJDnjggXh0us3desy30o6m18XMvjY7wsX2dZ/RoqpuMFQxd lZV2gZeI/YcFEGITEfyroSOBoh5v34UNJjvhY= Received: by 10.140.255.15 with SMTP id c15mr602366rvi.18.1273616188778; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:16:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.255.17 with SMTP id c17ls17266812rvi.2.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.255.7 with SMTP id c7mr1172474rvi.18.1273616187842; Tue, 11 May 2010 15:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.163.12 with SMTP id l12mr1254563wae.45.1273599174318; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.163.12 with SMTP id l12mr1254562wae.45.1273599174285; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e19si6356511wam.4.2010.05.11.10.32.54; Tue, 11 May 2010 10:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4BHWr6j005467 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 17:32:54 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.12.8/Submit) id o4BHWr1Z012545 for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Tue, 11 May 2010 17:32:53 GMT Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:32:53 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] sei vs to Message-ID: <20100511173252.GA4485@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <4BE97DBB.4060404@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) smtp.mail=jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org X-Original-Sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline de'i li 11 pi'e 05 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. tijlan .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > One little advantage of {sei} is that its terminator {se'u} is elidable in > more occasions than {to}'s {toi} is: > > ma prali sei la alis pensi [se'u] ti > ma prali to la alis pensi toi ti > > But an easy change in the word order would offset that advantage: > > ma prali ti sei la alis pensi [se'u] > ma prali ti to la alis pensi [toi] .skamyxatra ... except that TO...TOI can contain any text, not just a {bridi}, so if the current sentence is followed by an "{.i}" and another sentence, the "{toi}" will be needed to keep the "{to}" from enclosing everything after it. However, if the current sentence is instead terminated by "{li'u}" (as the one in question in {la .alis.} is), the "{toi}" will then be elidable. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- lo panojauvaipamoi krinu be lonu cilre fi la .lojban. zo'u noda ca'o se bangu la .gliban. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.