From lojban-beginners+bncCO-w7--8ERCd04PfBBoENBeSsA@googlegroups.com Tue May 04 20:44:44 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O9VXL-00058Y-5r; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:44 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf2735694vws.16 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=aWQc1XSHZhVqQZyS+t5QJbTu8beC2ekJfL5rOPc37qI=; b=VaK1ZbVlA4NgtNf4B+tAkr8YNrQDlWPLI7EW5SYMz0Bw1b7kn3U2N/epHXZhbpvMpl KbMKUJKwGYDq6SwwsOKujr0cYwAsDs/4++l/qgYeiapbIhWDCi1sttW3miCp670/jlze zprZrddS9Gd7YAvpU6UbhtcJ4WovlGbO/cnBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=qqrIq/0Kt8UGKh5NvR1T7ZG5svgRL2WD/yNYFq3DVlmd33aGxyNdmQeK43aJylmXKP bh/8pnBjH9rGndOzh3lpQuZIkG8NEb0HvY9Q2xFTYxs8eLmSRcKTRrkdF88EQ4dpiIaC cWtdam6Nd3JRRbq4WViIX/0he18/2Vpmps8+g= Received: by 10.220.47.158 with SMTP id n30mr1362611vcf.17.1273031069685; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls3080228vcf.5.p; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.96.13 with SMTP id f13mr1504757vcn.23.1273031068363; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.96.13 with SMTP id f13mr1504755vcn.23.1273031068315; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f193.google.com (mail-qy0-f193.google.com [209.85.221.193]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a10si5713806vci.4.2010.05.04.20.44.27; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of geoffstewart56@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.193; Received: by mail-qy0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so6875967qyk.25 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.87.106 with SMTP id v42mr5139549qal.23.1273031066566; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.37.84 with HTTP; Tue, 4 May 2010 20:44:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:44:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: la ciste lerfu be la ca. From: Geoffrey Stewart To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of geoffstewart56@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=geoffstewart56@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: geoffstewart56@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f905dcd82c21f0485d0a44c --00c09f905dcd82c21f0485d0a44c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're welcome! And no, I doubt it will replace the Latin system, any more than I think lojban will replace English. By the way, I realised that I didn't say what the lojbanic /x/ would be. The Shavian h letter would work well, if we use the apostrophe for the lojbanic /'/. mu'o mi'e djefris. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:37 PM, symuyn wrote: > In contrast, I like its aesthetics a lot. I would be interested in > what a Lojban text in this writing system would look like=E2=80=94not tha= t > it's going to replace the Latin system. But thanks for bringing this > to my attention. :) > > On May 2, 3:26 pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I don't like it. The symbols are too similar, and I've got enough on my > > plate learning the language without having to learn a new writing syste= m > > too. > > > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Geoffrey Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > coi rodo > > > > > Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la > ciste > > > lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like > something > > > that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been > adapted > > > for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet > > > > > And here is a font (two, in fact):http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/ > > > > > Obviously the letters for /t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ = (N) would not be > > > used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses > > > vowels for that. /h/ (h) I am reluctant to use because it's so large > and > > > the lojbanic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe > could > > > just continue to be used. As for the vowels, A can be used for , e > or Efor , > > > I for , O for , M for , and a for . > > > > > The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem t= o > be > > > very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching fo= r > the > > > shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it works > fine > > > with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical language= . > Tell > > > me what you think! > > > > > mu'o mi'e djefris. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com e@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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You're welcome! And no, I doubt it will repl= ace the Latin system, any more than I think lojban will replace English. By= the way, I realised that I didn't say what the lojbanic /x/ would be. = The Shavian h letter would work well, if we use the apostrophe for the lojb= anic /'/.
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On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:37 PM, symuyn <rbysamppi@gmail.com> wrote:
In contrast, I like its aestheti= cs a lot. I would be interested in
what a Lojban text in this writing sy= stem would look like=E2=80=94not that
it's going to replace the Latin system. But thanks for bringing thisto my attention. :)

On May 2, 3:26=C2=A0pm, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don&#= 39;t like it. The symbols are too similar, and I've got enough on my> plate learning the language without having to learn a new writing sys= tem
> too.
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Geoffrey Stewart<= br>
> <geoffstewar..= .@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > coi rod= o
>
> > Recently I discovered something called the Shavian a= lphabet (or la ciste
> > lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban trans= lation). It looks like something
> > that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already be= en adapted
> > for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on i= t:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet
>
> > And here is a font (two, in fact):http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/
>
> > Obviously the letters for /t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (= J), and /=C5=8B/ (N) would not be
> > used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban u= ses
> > vowels for that. /h/ (h) I am reluctant to use because it&= #39;s so large and
> > the lojbanic <'> should be less i= ntrusive, so possibly the apostrophe could
> > just continue to be used. As for the vowels, A can be used = for <a>, e or Efor <e>,
> > I for <i>, O for <o>, M for <u&g= t;, and a for <y>.
>
> > The main problem is that the = mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem to be
> > very intuitiv= e for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching for the
> > shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it w= orks fine
> > with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a= logical language. Tell
> > me what you think!
>
> >= ; mu'o mi'e djefris.
>
> > --
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> > .
> > For more options, visit this gro= up at
> >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginner= s?hl=3Den.
>
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> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'= ;o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
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