From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARC9-IvfBBoEM2NSjA@googlegroups.com Thu May 06 10:28:46 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OA4sJ-0001Mh-CY; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:44 -0700 Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17sf5175wwi.16 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cll8JCbna7hoSAeNT5hBrn0FTc06u8QshOQ/0IYbMYE=; b=zVmeDEPfqOk09Z68XjhrdMFqgAErj0ko7Ny9wFYPAXJghWxKhVpGySHthvCdtt/Pwj gSG9bhyr/LWyYPqbFRoBJtczFmxjnohjYtHaeuomnKqZBSvOoB7PBGI4+9WWClIqX3M1 pJQ18diG6twOlmh/fyaMcT2YHfbTiuavYS7SU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=y69jbUHy83UqgWJ8t0Na59P77sl3WNdcZ/1N6vnrsKuNbVaB1qyLl2SUTqjVB9A5De DJRdXZciRzWN8yHxvtiKi0QXAqlrp0J2LPW18hKRaXRQpkOrT56H5G8zbfsK80ATRmyD kNxvZmVV4mKJKvpl6K8NumaYE/LYI/5ej7Ntc= Received: by 10.223.81.194 with SMTP id y2mr4292887fak.4.1273166909806; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.59.131 with SMTP id l3ls2091944ebh.1.p; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.49.18 with SMTP id t18mr2355417ebf.24.1273166906391; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.49.18 with SMTP id t18mr2355415ebf.24.1273166906337; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f50.google.com (mail-gw0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si86370ewy.6.2010.05.06.10.28.24; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.50; Received: by mail-gw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a18so142510gwa.23 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.219.203 with SMTP id hv11mr62081qcb.46.1273166903633; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.141.10 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 10:28:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201005061309.49318.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> <201005061309.49318.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:28:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362849e007e96f0485f04594 --0016362849e007e96f0485f04594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To clarify, what I was trying to do was circumvent the issues we were having by defining a few ko'a series words to be events, facts, concrete objects, etc. in advance and then using them later in this "partially generic" sense. I didn't think it would actually work, but I figured I'd try. mu'o mi'e latros. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 06 May 2010 12:32:13 Ian Johnson wrote: > > Hmm...a relevant question: > > .i ko'a goi lo fasnu .i ko'e goi lo fasnu > > > > Does {ko'a du ko'e} have a defined truth value now? If so, what is it? (I > > suspect that it doesn't have a truth value yet.) > > It doesn't. "lo fasnu" can refer to any event, or to events in general, and > there's no way to tell from those two sentences whether the two occurrences > of "lo fasnu" refer to the same event. > > Pierre > > -- > lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016362849e007e96f0485f04594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To clarify, what I was trying to do was circumvent the issues we were havin= g by defining a few ko'a series words to be events, facts, concrete obj= ects, etc. in advance and then using them later in this "partially gen= eric" sense. I didn't think it would actually work, but I figured = I'd try.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Thu, May= 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2010 12:32:13 Ian Johnson wrote:
> Hmm...a relevant question:
> .i ko'a goi lo fasnu .i ko'e goi lo fasnu
>
> Does {ko'a du ko'e} have a defined truth value now? If so, wha= t is it? (I
> suspect that it doesn't have a truth value yet.)

It doesn't. "lo fasnu" can refer to any event, or to ev= ents in general, and
there's no way to tell from those two sentences whether the two occurre= nces
of "lo fasnu" refer to the same event.

Pierre

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