From lojban-beginners+bncCOzcnrWBFBDGrIzfBBoEVVdlgg@googlegroups.com Thu May 06 12:19:59 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OA6bn-0001Zn-DS; Thu, 06 May 2010 12:19:58 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf172397gwj.16 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 12:19:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dW4nX+R5cgBdCCEbffiRsCFlzqxQ6BNj0YEflPkv2YI=; b=JF7fZY+NJz9vwnL0k5snsOyk40uYl8PEoiMnGGrSlTHVtRajjIqwsg3OnXgsVfpVQF n4Zoz1iZw6W7/gCEYKEHGePp1y04k1SGTYVHR2KXRGYknhIaTN62t2OBYhE77kDXT/4m N8jxBYDIq0kMBp/LRqRUiPSagB22jTed8buM8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=pAbXc5PasVSZtCsIrYRZvbp+iU8OstGjjhFUUxJwJuaGmnJI3eMw74yWHU1wX7FsHy vIiGefD4hnsgoR15xJ8V4zLgigV5HsFgwih/nwqEJxDoOSU4rhkNlWvoQLRi3x2nJl5H TJTUhIbclWjhw8zS4XSpb11Zyr0D7nV7KhNAM= Received: by 10.150.119.34 with SMTP id r34mr41527ybc.6.1273173574279; Thu, 06 May 2010 12:19:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.93.13 with SMTP id v13ls5284871ybl.2.p; Thu, 06 May 2010 12:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.252.14 with SMTP id z14mr1130773ybh.1.1273173572559; Thu, 06 May 2010 12:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.68 with SMTP id jx4mr1287147qcb.28.1273069713247; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.68 with SMTP id jx4mr1287146qcb.28.1273069713219; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si867346qyk.13.2010.05.05.07.28.32; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3so34421vws.40 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:28:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.97.147 with SMTP id l19mr4297098qcn.24.1273069708794; Wed, 05 May 2010 07:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.1.222 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 07:28:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:28:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pascal.akihiko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ef326c71a380485d9a3fc --0016364ef326c71a380485d9a3fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > >> >> >>> lo te jimpe a subject of something understood => >>> a subject understood about >>> >>> Trying to make the relation clearer. >>> >> >> Maybe "topic of fact understood". >> > > Personally, I think "[a] topic of fact understood" is actually worse than > "a subject of something understood". > x2 is a fact that is understood by x1. And "topic" is less ambiguous than "subject": http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/topic http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/subject Hence my suggestion: x3 is the topic of x2, which is a fact [that is] understood by x1. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016364ef326c71a380485d9a3fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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=A0 =A0Trying to make the relation clearer.
Maybe "topic of fact understood".

Personally, I think "[a] topic of fact understood" i= s actually worse than "a subject of something understood".

x2 is a fact that is understood by x1. An= d "topic" is less ambiguous than "subject":
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http://en.wiktionary.org/= wiki/subject
Hence my suggestion: x3 is the topic of x2, which is a = fact [that is] understood by x1.

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