From lojban-beginners+bncCO-w7--8ERCtwvfeBBoEUaEt1g@googlegroups.com Sun May 02 13:32:05 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O8fpP-0003MQ-Dc; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:32:02 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf907784vws.16 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZcRI1JThAouioUcgzQ66wR+kiH2FZKjNqfWtRUbWyNY=; b=D52qQt8NNs3QdNlpJN5sNj7Vr5kr83fKeR6hgALr3xngGvYh9DxXf+OZpRgoKUYwGK D97OYw9BW0p9DOES8IfpBVy6/V+WfNrYvCYXBPCuYQz3VRduNfBbhCXKms0A4PNHwlXx O6S+n2FT83OYArfrGdj8r5CVycjcVyOPwAPns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=KeJn8GCWigdwe15zRt18Nd47A2+s3jEHl7C25n2GY+QT3EKUOekmBifKoy+0QYw2rL uAFXT0VnABH2BEHW2i9So1fHETtLT6iGe8pNbgZq7H0Bw7P6/ZdK+HmySCEG+fsiJ7eL MMw8E700UtYcajcliXWE93MvwnyWiPIIjgJaA= Received: by 10.220.47.158 with SMTP id n30mr1028054vcf.17.1272832301859; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls60569870vcf.5.p; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr1451907vcy.2.1272832300195; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.205 with SMTP id f13mr1451906vcy.2.1272832300157; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f197.google.com (mail-qy0-f197.google.com [209.85.221.197]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l27si2951526vcr.6.2010.05.02.13.31.39; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of geoffstewart56@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.197; Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so2685853qyk.26 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.65.208 with SMTP id k16mr2591138qai.137.1272832298698; Sun, 02 May 2010 13:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.37.84 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 13:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:31:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] la ciste lerfu be la ca. From: Geoffrey Stewart To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of geoffstewart56@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=geoffstewart56@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: geoffstewart56@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09ffb4bc005c97a0485a25d21 --00c09ffb4bc005c97a0485a25d21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi rodo Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la ciste lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like something that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been adapted for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet And here is a font (two, in fact): http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/ Obviously the letters for /t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N) wo= uld not be used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses vowels for that. /h/ (h) I am reluctant to use because it's so large and the lojbanic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe could just continu= e to be used. As for the vowels, A can be used for , e or E for , I for , O for , M for , and a for . The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem to be very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching for the shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it works fine with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical language. 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coi rodo
=C2=A0
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And here is a font (two, in fact): http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/
=C2=A0
Obviously the letters for
/t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N)=C2=A0would not be used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses vowels for = that. /h/ (h)=C2=A0I am reluctant to use because it's so la= rge and the lojbanic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly th= e apostrophe could just continue to be used. As for the vowels,=C2=A0A= can be used for <a>, e=C2=A0or=C2=A0E for <e>, I for <i>,=C2=A0O for <o>, M = for <u>, and=C2=A0a for <y>.
=C2=A0
The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't s= eem to be very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reachin= g for the shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it w= orks fine with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical lang= uage. Tell me what you think!
=C2=A0
mu'o mi'e djefris.

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