From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhD-9_feBBoEiCcu8w@googlegroups.com Sun May 02 15:26:21 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O8hc8-0002K0-8K; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:21 -0700 Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13sf1085061wwb.16 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ts6ZEtPLQKlPAUb84yF/306Gj+O0BjqiYXSfb0Z5gi0=; b=0hrlJszmAvwT9rAQHuHYlOPgm/kJOKW3sqt3veb6Z23sLKdqM4+o/EqWJwONWK6OgB +B61evf2h/YWee+ftg3oPfMs3HSSXOnkBuSBNWsl4N8W+l/JGa2KrdF4jyApqAeJeowp zD4vuIaRSsnv7wXQ0iF95eMoH0AiQmk8z+oLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=mA41da3FHrXWXUhNpIueMmt+bdRupESuGAa+xHLM+Sxt04GIeAdZF7OxSXJqulU2cN GYmlvc3M6gg9Ogn+mu3l42wOjvJTHGvTSwdpmBvIwP4ZwL7BP6gwnTBfR7cB7pGIrFfR eHSZ4ebFKdbv1SBCQBaxRwuKFnqUt3B8dqJEo= Received: by 10.223.5.152 with SMTP id 24mr3310113fav.34.1272839166824; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.24.105 with SMTP id w83ls24344931wew.1.p; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.161.196 with SMTP id w46mr105995wek.26.1272839165073; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.161.196 with SMTP id w46mr105994wek.26.1272839164985; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p33si5242192wba.7.2010.05.02.15.26.03; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by mail-ww0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 30so469143wwg.14 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.160.12 with SMTP id t12mr11545161wek.154.1272839163671; Sun, 02 May 2010 15:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.51.7 with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 15:26:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 16:26:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] la ciste lerfu be la ca. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c1a7a34f6600485a3f6d6 --0016e64c1a7a34f6600485a3f6d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't like it. The symbols are too similar, and I've got enough on my plate learning the language without having to learn a new writing system too. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Geoffrey Stewart wrote: > coi rodo > > Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la ciste > lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like something > that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been adapt= ed > for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet > > And here is a font (two, in fact): http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/ > > Obviously the letters for /t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N) = would not be > used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses > vowels for that. /h/ (h) I am reluctant to use because it's so large and > the lojbanic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe cou= ld > just continue to be used. As for the vowels, A can be used for , e or = Efor , > I for , O for , M for , and a for . > > The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem to be > very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching for th= e > shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it works fin= e > with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical language. Te= ll > me what you think! > > mu'o mi'e djefris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --0016e64c1a7a34f6600485a3f6d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't like it. The symbols are too similar, and I've got enough o= n my plate learning the language without having to learn a new writing syst= em too.

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, G= eoffrey Stewart <geoffstewart56@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo
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Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la cis= te lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like somethin= g that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been adapt= ed for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: http://en.wikiped= ia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet
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And here is a font (two, in fact): http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/
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Obviously the letters for
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The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't s= eem to be very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reachin= g for the shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it w= orks fine with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical lang= uage. Tell me what you think!
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mu'o mi'e djefris.

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/t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N)=C2=A0would not be used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses vowels for that. /h= / (= h)=C2=A0I am reluctant to use because it's so large and the lojb= anic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe cou= ld just continue to be used. As for the vowels,=C2=A0A can be used for <a>, e=C2=A0or=C2=A0E for <e>, I for <i>,=C2=A0O for <o>, M for <u>, and=C2=A0a for <y>.