From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBCorpHfBBoEY5uMrQ@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 11:08:58 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f153.google.com ([209.85.221.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OARyk-0004QI-6e; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:58 -0700 Received: by qyk17 with SMTP id 17sf689100qyk.21 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0qxZtkX9+5PlsrfyfW2fik1+HqaqzIHR4RzmS7Fyy5g=; b=jDGMB3MPpQkwUyCcsDTlX/OfRGYVBYNvreny2V7m2JNrYk9bjoLKoeRSG9jVBZ2X/+ Fj2jSbTd5NKNUsxNXdC6JPS+Q3RiH77fF+ZEmxC6+NPbNPuCez5GSnD8UnwWyJnMGX/z rQ9FUSDQH9nodiuCMm039ro9JbuIAuX5Sau88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dt9Iosav+OJbRnlOGKu2nKaawliVv97XkX8oX/XLdxzt1EOm4/AqlPH9MiRZQMW6pz Deg2yMuGMHLDWaFDQ0RXqWKcuA9zctw695GdrBzZh+31tzeNLcKNp5nFTONQ1dE+lOn7 au2z3pF0vw4iqshJgcPoKH+2k4TVDb0nbusiI= Received: by 10.229.121.149 with SMTP id h21mr19396qcr.13.1273255720295; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.179.165 with SMTP id bq37ls2758818qcb.3.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.249.212 with SMTP id ml20mr27750qcb.20.1273255719769; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.249.212 with SMTP id ml20mr27749qcb.20.1273255719718; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si499249qyk.4.2010.05.07.11.08.38; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by mail-vw0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 17so303325vws.19 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.60.13 with SMTP id n13mr206678vch.238.1273255718308; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:08:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> <201005062111.16127.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:08:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887527cc4c7c048604f254 --e0cb4e887527cc4c7c048604f254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But if this is what jimpe means then I see no difference between it and {djuno} except that djuno has a place for epistemology. In that case, jimp= e is far more useless than I previously realized. I don't think I can accept that. How would you say "john understands english" in lojban, xorxes? (And {la djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses it, not that he understands it/knows it). 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > hmm, but if I said {la jdan jimpe tu'a le glico} would that imply that = he > > actually understands things said in the english language? > > No, I don't think "jimpe" has any connection with the language used to > express something. At least as defined, "jimpe" is about understanding > facts (presumably in a languege that the jimpe has command of) not > about understanding people or languages or sentences. Of course > everybody uses it more or less in the broader sense of English > "understand", not in the restricted sense of "understad that xxx is > true". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --e0cb4e887527cc4c7c048604f254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But if this is what jimpe means then I see no difference between it and {dj= uno} except that djuno has a place for=A0epistemology. =A0In that case, jim= pe is far more useless than I previously realized.

I don= 't think I can accept that.

How would you say "john understands english" = in lojban, xorxes? =A0(And {la djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses i= t, not that he understands it/knows it).

2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm, but if I said {la jdan jimpe tu'a le glico} would that imply = that he
> actually understands things said in the english language?

No, I don't think "jimpe" has any connection with the l= anguage used to
express something. At least as defined, "jimpe" is about understa= nding
facts (presumably in a languege that the jimpe has command of) not
about understanding people or languages or sentences. Of course
everybody uses it more or less in the broader sense of English
"understand", not in the restricted sense of "understad that= xxx is
true".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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