From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCQspHfBBoE9LaatQ@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 11:17:07 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f153.google.com ([209.85.221.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAS6b-0004ym-T7; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:17:06 -0700 Received: by qyk17 with SMTP id 17sf693268qyk.21 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zZB3qnpxGFVTRoLuIurRqGKSGGQb41KCihG85BkBMfM=; b=IIkw0mPuABlSnr/dR0xpUCqRKDPa0EnYmXvQcCxTiGz6LUc00csokdhxDxm/0KiPHs vqNwWACB4gyPCf8GagwuUFpvQAIr6zEJPG4hUVq26B9g3AK3AVkxT0qvmqtu5PCujBnW mvFOGBnXPPWY6h5K78oB+iVO4a+oaH85guZDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Qt4Z0Pqev+6bb+rEceu5uumq1d8VRcz4RbldR/bNlWQg/gSe0mW5n8VR0g8SzrUr3Z QzZQfE73c6MajIVxKgNIgU6cJ/LSCwIdbx8hiRqPWYA5YNI1Lm/nBOLQAOmAtsDWpAQm I4XwfUVUWafNVMeGu5wqZRzgNmpVhJkMjnk8o= Received: by 10.224.115.71 with SMTP id h7mr16459qaq.13.1273256208269; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.42.12 with SMTP id q12ls4763156qae.0.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.10.30 with SMTP id n30mr30235qan.7.1273256207598; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.10.30 with SMTP id n30mr30234qan.7.1273256207559; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f50.google.com (mail-vw0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si508866qyk.9.2010.05.07.11.16.46; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.50; Received: by mail-vw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 10so1330094vws.37 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.222.144 with SMTP id ig16mr236144qcb.74.1273256197137; Fri, 07 May 2010 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 11:16:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> <201005062111.16127.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:16:31 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > But if this is what jimpe means then I see no difference between it and > {djuno} except that djuno has a place for=A0epistemology. I suppose one may know that 56 is a multiple of 7 without understanding it, but I didn't define the gismu. >=A0In that case, jimpe > is far more useless than I previously realized. Most of the propositional attitude gismu are more useless than they look at first sight, yes. > I don't think I can accept that. You are not alone. > How would you say "john understands english" in lojban, xorxes? =A0(And {= la > djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses it, not that he understands > it/knows it). Well, that's how I would say it in any case. To me it means that John is languaged by English, not that he is specifically making use of it right now. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.