From lojban-beginners+bncCO2N0YfCFhCryJHfBBoEkbQWgA@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 12:04:26 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OASqS-0000LZ-W5; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:04:26 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf642538gwj.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:04:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UvQZiXCkdYMx2ErtxkF2z8BAhQTMh9kBcuZvHeshskA=; b=Yf8uAWsPV5nlkzS1Zf+nMhFcD0ulio3G95KlY0PZfot5+SoNg6SNsDq9MkTG8IAEFo 12Hr27KteewpWrlwLdY+S0rbAzDDwbW1M7tQ3GKn+AACriXRjFk8bABeL50PZ/SbepvH 7vwMpf2ixw2UgLnhwe0jiUlnZ6RaO48LTw4OE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=C/UGthz9T28znFXJE+FvvDUNjXisCCFfUXNbJusWZowj/jLODT9HXZRm8DfibzAzjT z9Zgtjtf3x3YT8w2TVHFLXs6q2MEvM0t+Hzmlx9i+nQdL7wwkHaH6PvYbVnbxBO6eany gcJsZigQS0JLONPno+d11mBRksrZxZmsGoAV8= Received: by 10.151.3.3 with SMTP id f3mr202112ybi.89.1273259051569; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.168.36 with SMTP id v36ls7225491ano.4.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.212.33 with SMTP id o33mr358308anq.52.1273259051243; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.212.33 with SMTP id o33mr358306anq.52.1273259051215; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kcout01.prserv.net (kcout01.prserv.net [12.154.55.31]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k1si4121194ani.5.2010.05.07.12.04.10; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 12.154.55.31 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) client-ip=12.154.55.31; Received: from 216-171-189-244.northland.net ([216.171.189.244]) by prserv.net (kcout01) with SMTP id <2010050719040920100e0jame> (Authid: usinet.kpreid); Fri, 7 May 2010 19:04:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.171.189.244] Message-Id: From: Kevin Reid To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:04:09 -0400 References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> <201005062111.16127.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 12.154.55.31 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kpreid@switchb.org) smtp.mail=kpreid@switchb.org X-Original-Sender: kpreid@switchb.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On May 7, 2010, at 14:56, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Luke Bergen =20 > wrote: >> I really don't like that translation. "used by" means {pilno} to =20 >> me which is different from comprehending a thing. If {jimpe} =20 >> doesn't mean what the english "understand" means, then what does? > > "jimpe" does mean "understand that ...", it just doesn't cover all =20 > the meanings of "understand", at least if we take the gi'uste =20 > definition seriously. Particularly, to understand an utterance is much better covered by =20 {tersmu} (which I just recently wrote up a jbovlaste definition for). --=20 Kevin Reid --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.