From lojban-beginners+bncCOzcnrWBFBCA3JHfBBoEvvfUTA@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 12:46:28 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OATV2-000397-Mn; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:46:27 -0700 Received: by pvg6 with SMTP id 6sf352109pvg.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fkME4Ya2H+wtXWz/N7ediLJq9YVse84cK+g6iCfJzNw=; b=jk39XrXwmBrm49Bp5p1Am/bxaSZL3tuHP0gIxTRLD8mayNpgcx+ikfvB184hRPfGTh osae+PRiedKZZNYTHXRY83SokMW/irmjViC5XGe5bSRMpK03tmAqDMz369XOPJOoGRIn 3i/svO8zP05SwU1e6tAkaomQHFCllOAynVGhc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=kWRRhZhrbgiHOv3pyyx3sVPB78+uvn4G6KYDe+nGLv7EG2NtseDInhBUFuLXdWK+VV 2LGEZ7UtZyAdTMAzemagCch0+dxwEt50W2BW34vPaH0a66/vsZqGJmezFvoFNbH+U4+/ folLB4X1dHvRuTA+8DP8rbkOIHZ3ELvrSmApU= Received: by 10.141.124.4 with SMTP id b4mr60411rvn.1.1273261568303; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.187.12 with SMTP id o12ls9179936rvp.0.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.18 with SMTP id b18mr22119rvn.39.1273261567391; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.16.13 with SMTP id t13mr379347ani.2.1273258964910; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.16.13 with SMTP id t13mr379346ani.2.1273258964878; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f193.google.com (mail-qy0-f193.google.com [209.85.221.193]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j16si4123306ann.0.2010.05.07.12.02.43; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.193; Received: by mail-qy0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so2281115qyk.25 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.64.76 with SMTP id d12mr231780qai.208.1273258963616; Fri, 07 May 2010 12:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.1.222 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 12:02:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> <201005062111.16127.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:02:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pascal.akihiko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d0fa3bc4d0048605b409 --001485f7d0fa3bc4d0048605b409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 7 May 2010 19:08, Luke Bergen wrote: > How would you say "john understands english" in lojban, xorxes? (And {la > djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses it, not that he understands > it/knows it). > "John understands English" means that something can be communicated to John by means of English. And this is what {la djan se bangu le glibau} means, is it not? Being capable of understanding a language is being capable of using a system of words in interpreting information encoded with that system. If by "use" you mean an actual application of the ability, that's something to be made explicit with {ca}, {ca'a}, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001485f7d0fa3bc4d0048605b409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 7 May 2010 19:08, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
How would you say "john understands english" in lojban, xorx= es? =A0(And {la djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses it, not that he = understands it/knows it).

"John underst= ands English" means that something can be communicated to John by mean= s of English. And this is what {la djan se bangu le glibau} means, is it no= t? Being capable of understanding a language is being capable of using a sy= stem of words in interpreting information encoded with that system. If by &= quot;use" you mean an actual application of the ability, that's so= mething to be made explicit with {ca}, {ca'a}, etc.
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