From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCxiZLfBBoElHDHwA@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 14:23:11 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f149.google.com ([209.85.221.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAV0k-000110-PG; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:23:11 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13sf880846qyk.1 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:23:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=86gqVo6oJIRZYRwaotNEGsW8frvtNreLCU/FgFi5Uvo=; b=oiuP56RZqmfGz/QBvEigmsobrLHNtMccE1KdVOT4gpBKt7cWddUNFbys1muOGUmfZt v4dwSVQ30avsdGWvUZUoAb4M0xt+/70tK8HBv06xbnNXHJ2w72uSy+++3cEYEewFusz+ zRvF9cAiJBhn9gyRQDpoZ+LdmZUZooDoa9Cyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EpoehUvEBQlmcCuXzCmPCzBgsK77jts5dyxilKuf5hOMvXgy7h7kDaKuaRBz5z3y3M mn1FdbFxn46qNNuKreGEOGlSwUycXGG9mc98AKd8EtBksJTHWBjgeoGW2oUSCynDUu+W ECywoXwXjWO+MgwjV1Z/HjrVk/TeCJOnPiEtY= Received: by 10.229.117.134 with SMTP id r6mr43533qcq.4.1273267377957; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.179.165 with SMTP id bq37ls3210747qcb.3.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.217.130 with SMTP id hm2mr8521qcb.3.1273267376217; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.217.130 with SMTP id hm2mr8520qcb.3.1273267376192; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si533287qyk.7.2010.05.07.14.22.56; Fri, 07 May 2010 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=sSauFczE/WgqiiCzXA/oBWyKBnhW4IlIwzxEkojSyMI= c=1 sm=0 a=VsoUY3mdW54A:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=nEw2FVsNpHgNJFXfrHoA:9 a=WtHoTey6LmDjCz9sbycA:7 a=fKlZ7Tad2iQQyp_kJPjQVoRB5LwA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:40014] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id A8/E1-22191-FA484EB4; Fri, 07 May 2010 21:22:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49104005 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 17:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 17:22:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005071722.52625.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 07 May 2010 14:16:31 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > Well, that's how I would say it in any case. To me it means that John > is languaged by English, not that he is specifically making use of it > right now. I could probably go to Arpitany and, after a few days, understand most of w= hat=20 they're saying, but I wouldn't say "mi se bangu lo .arpitano" because I sti= ll=20 wouldn't be able to assemble correct Arpitan sentences. (Arpitan is a Roman= ce=20 language. I know enough French and Spanish to figure out most of most Roman= ce=20 languages.) On Friday 07 May 2010 15:15:46 Jonathan Jones wrote: > I don't agree. When I see a definition like "x1 understands/comprehends > fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3, I take it = to > mean that > {zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e} means "x1 understands/comprehends fact/truth x2 > (du'u) about subject x3" > {zo'e jimpe fi zo'e} means " "x1 understands (fi) x3" "zo'e" and skipping a place are equivalent, except in an abstraction or=20 relative clause where an empty place may be assumed filled with "ke'a"=20 or "ce'u" instead of "zo'e". "zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e" means the same as=20 just "jimpe". On Friday 07 May 2010 16:09:14 Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > > > > > >> But "facki fi da" does not mean "tolcri da". > > > > > > xu lu mi facki lo se zvati lo mi ckiku li'u drata lu mi tolcri lo mi ckik= u > li'u ca le .oktobero mi .e la lizbet. klama le barsanmi .i ca le nu xruti kei le= =20 mapku pe le bersa be la lizbet. zvati le mi dakli .i mi tolcri le mapku gi'= e=20 jungau la lizbet. le du'u le mapku cu zvati makau .i la lizbet. facki le se= =20 zvati be le mapku gi'enai tolcri le mapku mu'omi'e .pier. --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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