From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhDrq5LfBBoELcckBw@googlegroups.com Fri May 07 15:36:42 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OAW9t-0006uH-4W; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:42 -0700 Received: by wwi17 with SMTP id 17sf623876wwi.16 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WjA15kMEYWTxYoNxvetyHpyKEHkmTeqIyRohjNBFHi0=; b=l2Q9iocFkF61ZgQ/Uugt+fHgFTBQKNAQa1Cwc1nJBNyslNicb+ZPOYjlXeD7K4Nkd9 sZZO0kx+g3KvnFG+8dS1BD4FdCvK67+CNK5VwxEzc6yAt0N36lEtAMS1gEsNwiWvHn0k 4ba9GJmExQxqqhlXkqkaqhZRweJycrieDNl4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zFZ+QoJjnzeH3rg3djHZjCL89qaFeNPlLJbLacn8q9qL2cmhs3JA9Ue48GeZpt2DDT r9fw6t7wll1F791skfyPc+t1NtNdYFFA9uU5yi51jRtGD+4MlvkRoSsZSv6LKvf2eRiW 7paprFpyUYrvpFAt/h/KZnIgf3zRAaziykgCI= Received: by 10.223.54.11 with SMTP id o11mr93671fag.5.1273271787914; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.216.160 with SMTP id g32ls3242593wep.2.p; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.75 with SMTP id g53mr39493wem.5.1273271787080; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.75 with SMTP id g53mr39492wem.5.1273271787019; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p33si3118127wba.3.2010.05.07.15.36.25; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.172; Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so1131785wyb.17 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.8 with SMTP id t8mr479086wee.39.1273271785730; Fri, 07 May 2010 15:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.51.7 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 15:36:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201005071722.52625.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> <201005071722.52625.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 16:36:25 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d77f5a7db23b048608b041 --0016e6d77f5a7db23b048608b041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 07 May 2010 14:16:31 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > Well, that's how I would say it in any case. To me it means that John > > is languaged by English, not that he is specifically making use of it > > right now. > > I could probably go to Arpitany and, after a few days, understand most of > what > they're saying, but I wouldn't say "mi se bangu lo .arpitano" because I > still > wouldn't be able to assemble correct Arpitan sentences. (Arpitan is a > Romance > language. I know enough French and Spanish to figure out most of most > Romance > languages.) > > On Friday 07 May 2010 15:15:46 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I don't agree. When I see a definition like "x1 understands/comprehend= s > > fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3, I take i= t > to > > mean that > > {zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e} means "x1 understands/comprehends fact/truth x2 > > (du'u) about subject x3" > > {zo'e jimpe fi zo'e} means " "x1 understands (fi) x3" > > "zo'e" and skipping a place are equivalent, except in an abstraction or > relative clause where an empty place may be assumed filled with "ke'a" > or "ce'u" instead of "zo'e". "zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e" means the same as > just "jimpe". > > On Friday 07 May 2010 16:09:14 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > > > > > > > > >> But "facki fi da" does not mean "tolcri da". > > > > > > > > > > xu lu mi facki lo se zvati lo mi ckiku li'u drata lu mi tolcri lo mi > ckiku > > li'u > > ca le .oktobero mi .e la lizbet. klama le barsanmi .i ca le nu xruti kei = le > mapku pe le bersa be la lizbet. zvati le mi dakli .i mi tolcri le mapku > gi'e > jungau la lizbet. le du'u le mapku cu zvati makau .i la lizbet. facki le = se > zvati be le mapku gi'enai tolcri le mapku > > .i je'e mi ca jimpe > mu'omi'e .pier. > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu= > wrote:
On Friday 07 May 2010 14:16:31 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > Well, that's how I would say it in any case. To me it means that J= ohn
> is languaged by English, not that he is specifically making use of it<= br> > right now.

I could probably go to Arpitany and, after a few days, understand mos= t of what
they're saying, but I wouldn't say "mi se bangu lo .arpitano&q= uot; because I still
wouldn't be able to assemble correct Arpitan sentences. (Arpitan is a R= omance
language. I know enough French and Spanish to figure out most of most Roman= ce
languages.)

On Friday 07 May 2010 15:15:46 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I don't agree. When I see a definition like =A0"x1 understand= s/comprehends
> fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3, I t= ake it to
> mean that
> {zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e} means =A0"x1 understands/compr= ehends fact/truth x2
> (du'u) about subject x3"
> {zo'e jimpe fi zo'e} means " "x1 understands (fi) x3= "

"zo'e" and skipping a place are equivalent, except in a= n abstraction or
relative clause where an empty place may be assumed filled with "ke= 9;a"
or "ce'u" instead of "zo'e". "zo'e jim= pe zo'e zo'e" means the same as
just "jimpe".

On Friday 07 May 2010 16:09:14 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
> > <snip>
> >
> >> But "facki fi da" does not mean "tolcri da&quo= t;.
> >
> > <snip>
>
> xu lu mi facki lo se zvati lo mi ckiku li'u drata lu mi tolcri lo = mi ckiku
> li'u

ca le .oktobero mi .e la lizbet. klama le barsanmi .i ca le nu xruti = kei le
mapku pe le bersa be la lizbet. zvati le mi dakli .i mi tolcri le mapku gi&= #39;e
jungau la lizbet. le du'u le mapku cu zvati makau .i la lizbet. facki l= e se
zvati be le mapku gi'enai tolcri le mapku

.i je'e mi ca jimpe
=A0
mu'omi'e .pier.
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La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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