From lojban-beginners+bncCOzcnrWBFBDr2pzfBBoEnorcpw@googlegroups.com Sun May 09 14:47:38 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBELV-0002HG-9N; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:38 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf2254908gwj.16 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=u31xQueoPwdPoO9X353isCVauRKE0xTRXYqar5CQW24=; b=cRTY27mDwi5UlH+M5zgPaJ4xgGvqhjNr+5SoX1x08+Long8I6Vg8eqz2slEEvPZ9Cn ADS6eMSolLfBqRhi0PuPwUSPF5f6JPQuhU8Ncl5w0mdklxZPsSn+HRqnw5qGnZFG/W3d OFTSlEWTnBd9Z5YKRqUilLVx5RkVXX72AafJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=Gl7d83jV463ML9BUH9Oap+LsLVLqILzcCQ8DTrkZ4CXL05HukwDU/wJAhUG/pFkAKf yAZ927Zaib6ZzTpe5uWCpjMIR2or9xTeW/vpEvlki0dIzwnT614WuNDj/rzFH5PVwKqo +7A4vvV29HoPBPZ8gbvec8oG1k8NPc1zaaD90= Received: by 10.91.121.6 with SMTP id y6mr236178agm.11.1273441643932; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.67.25 with SMTP id u25ls7666169agk.7.p; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.42.40 with SMTP id p40mr5231950agp.3.1273441642844; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.42.40 with SMTP id p40mr5231937agp.3.1273441642498; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f191.google.com (mail-qy0-f191.google.com [209.85.221.191]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si428415yxe.1.2010.05.09.14.47.21; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.191 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.191; Received: by mail-qy0-f191.google.com with SMTP id 29so5147787qyk.14 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.232.144 with SMTP id ju16mr2389743qcb.107.1273441641277; Sun, 09 May 2010 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.1.222 with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2010 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 22:47:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] seltau == tertau -> ??? From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pascal.akihiko@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.191 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pascal.akihiko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b877cabaa1f0486303c72 --0016363b877cabaa1f0486303c72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9 May 2010 22:14, Ian Johnson wrote: > What happens if the seltau and tertau are identical? Does the seltau only > contribute its "different" meaning to the tertau in forming the tanru, and > so something like "mother kind of mother" is redundant and unnecessary? Or > could {mamta mamta} be a way of saying "grandmother" (perhaps "maternal > grandmother")? > It ultimately depends on how its place structure is defined. An old wordlist already had "mampa'u" (mamta-patfu) for "maternal grandfather", based on the place structure "x1=p1 is the father of mother x2=p=2=m1". And I think other combinations should be allowed, like "x1=p1=m1 is a mother-type-of father of x2=p2" (perhaps a single father or Mrs. Doubtfire). > Also (in the spirit of what brought me to this thought in the first place): > .i ko se pluka lo djedi pe lo mamta > .i'i mamta io mu'o mi'e tijlan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016363b877cabaa1f0486303c72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 9 May 2010 22:14, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com= > wrote:
What happens if the seltau and tertau are identical? Does the seltau only c= ontribute its "different" meaning to the tertau in forming the ta= nru, and so something like "mother kind of mother" is redundant a= nd unnecessary? Or could {mamta mamta} be a way of saying "grandmother= " (perhaps "maternal grandmother")?

It ultimately depends on how its place structure is d= efined. An old wordlist already had "mampa'u" (mamta-patfu) f= or "maternal grandfather", based on the place structure "x1= =3Dp1 is the father of mother x2=3Dp=3D2=3Dm1". And I think other comb= inations should be allowed, like "x1=3Dp1=3Dm1 is a mother-type-of fat= her of x2=3Dp2" (perhaps a single father or Mrs. Doubtfire).

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Also (in the spirit of what brought me to this thought in the first place):=
.i ko se pluka lo djedi pe lo mamta

.i'i m= amta io


mu'o mi'e tijlan

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