From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxD3oJ3fBBoEWPJegg@googlegroups.com Sun May 09 17:17:13 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f149.google.com ([209.85.221.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBGgD-0002dR-DP; Sun, 09 May 2010 17:17:13 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13sf2391600qyk.1 for ; Sun, 09 May 2010 17:16:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=BJ5qrvV/LtpZJYSIrxpDPIKhryUaXQgPmIOkKuQ5Jw0=; b=N3CjhdA0d3g+5yvsNTqIbJ75ftgRi5V9f04QKaJp7s1tqN6FpEIiVXSQcp+IObJrrL AJk5tJDnRukUl6UyM+lU4xIdolsUMJ8xeez6SDYCXKOLQG5jwXEVejwFgwX4YO4+BxX2 phf9KGeNsYZlXzjW2TjwNT0d/s4soUBlVHsS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=yUbeehsw4TapRaDVj+2tw3/iI/CWwGr6m8Z+8DHYI08MQuT+cEn/Eiz29HFTHCh/nI yYN5k7QpIFWrGVuWGi1G8/9McjCSqiXetXIEV0gbwjUYOWEpYnT4TSHjGRdvBFNlnVe9 jce4y6KcjYfXF3bJ5U+arVQhZw/0BkW9KB6hI= Received: by 10.224.39.14 with SMTP id d14mr173968qae.10.1273450615739; Sun, 09 May 2010 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.41.66 with SMTP id n2ls7361147qae.3.p; Sun, 09 May 2010 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.114.71 with SMTP id d7mr400959qaq.24.1273450615055; Sun, 09 May 2010 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.114.71 with SMTP id d7mr400958qaq.24.1273450615017; Sun, 09 May 2010 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si843444qyk.6.2010.05.09.17.16.54; Sun, 09 May 2010 17:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=bnjYn4dfhd9CziTiLFVnZ2V/f+sCNzVSrcT5VUK9o8U= c=1 sm=0 a=53frFOKimnYA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=xQeng5LpjAd9T7ORE7EA:9 a=5q1B2SZ3l00scJ2TVYayKkNwqQkA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:55184] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 72/32-29689-67057EB4; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:16:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F796EC73 for ; Sun, 9 May 2010 20:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] seltau == tertau -> ??? Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:16:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005092016.48356.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 09 May 2010 17:14:57 Ian Johnson wrote: > What happens if the seltau and tertau are identical? Does the seltau only > contribute its "different" meaning to the tertau in forming the tanru, and > so something like "mother kind of mother" is redundant and unnecessary? Or > could {mamta mamta} be a way of saying "grandmother" (perhaps "maternal > grandmother")? "mamymamta" means "maternal grandmother". (The same construction is used in North Germanic.) "klakyklaku", though, means "cried and cried" in le gusta co minde mutce, and "tumtumtricu" is used in Jabberwocky for "tumtum tree", which has nothing to do with "tumla". But Jabberwocky also uses "curna carnu", which can't be words because they conflict with "curnu carna". As to tanru, they can be interpreted either way. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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