From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhDKrL_gBBoEhv68OQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 09 10:59:02 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OMPY5-00064V-2B; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:59:02 -0700 Received: by pxi12 with SMTP id 12sf1144644pxi.16 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=857ccllq7V9zG0yFvqKyDi0RP/4J2HWQrn/rvB45sd0=; b=OVzho6/ugeGWy7kwSZCHBTP4/HxgS1WHmunMaWOV4ZVHd4Ydzx1hInmMEPpiDhQtxT w21ASl1/gYMKs2HGy4T0jkQ7w/vmsy0djuUa7CVPLtnIhxr7SfcgvbZ8YWY2GdEhSvD6 Z0oqHLBCVIq/pfnLFJdbaT0Pul8W23D4qzIqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=W79c+yFcGQtAQ6U76HJ4Dr9WP6vNeEpARav75uxdHv2dIvxbdVmQ29Ckwl0JIm2WuK qGwV6Fn6rtZMq+XfqJfjcu4vkX7cpgtskBj8cpCpZKU7qMM6jhKT+t4NqUtenlwN6jp9 U5/AGTKVXjWnoLjHXq5Uh3TXL5Dcwo+e15OAY= Received: by 10.142.195.4 with SMTP id s4mr522658wff.32.1276106314030; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls7644734wfh.0.p; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.196.7 with SMTP id t7mr1742692wff.37.1276106312910; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.196.7 with SMTP id t7mr1742691wff.37.1276106312839; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f180.google.com (mail-px0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1092579pzk.0.2010.06.09.10.58.31; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.180; Received: by mail-px0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 17so3520838pxi.11 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.196.10 with SMTP id t10mr2628561wff.223.1276106311604; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.217.9 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006062315.53739.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:58:31 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojbanic coffee mug From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e174661bb804889ca777 --000e0cd2e174661bb804889ca777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {fi'o} creates a new sumti place in the bridi, consisting of the x1 of the folllowing selbri. So, {ko'a kafkabri ko'e ko'i fi'o ponse ko'o} is "k1 is a coffee cup containing k2, made of material k3, possessed by p1." On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:45 AM, lubekano3 wrote: > Hm. I'm trying to understand the 'FIhO' section in (the on-line > version of) Ze Book: > > '(unspecified) is-a-coffee-mug containing (unspecified) of-mug- > material (unspecified), modal (= has-something-to-do-with?): Jesko > possesses (unspecified) under-law (unspecified)'? > or: 'being a coffee-mug, Jesko's possession' > > But I don't get how we know that the thing that is possessed is the > coffee-mug, since the second sumti slot of 'ponse' isn't filled. Or in > other word: What specifies the semantic relation (indicated by 'fi'o') > between 'kafkabri' and 'ponse'. Context? > > --- lubekano > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000e0cd2e174661bb804889ca777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {fi'o} creates a new sumti place in the bridi, consisting of the x1 of = the folllowing selbri. So, {ko'a kafkabri ko'e ko'i fi'o po= nse ko'o} is "k1 is a coffee cup containing k2, made of material k= 3, possessed by p1."

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:45 AM, lubekano3 <= span dir=3D"ltr"><kevinb.mller@= yahoo.de> wrote:
Hm. I'm trying to understand the 'FIhO' section in (the on-line=
version of) Ze Book:

'(unspecified) is-a-coffee-mug containing (unspecified) of-mug-
material (unspecified), modal (=3D has-something-to-do-with?): Jesko
possesses (unspecified) under-law (unspecified)'?
or: 'being a coffee-mug, Jesko's possession'

But I don't get how we know that the thing that is possessed is the
coffee-mug, since the second sumti slot of 'ponse' isn't filled= . Or in
other word: What specifies the semantic relation (indicated by 'fi'= o')
between 'kafkabri' and 'ponse'. Context?

--- lubekano

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