From lojban-beginners+bncCMqBsa7nERDz16LhBBoEAqMD2Q@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 28 07:04:55 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OTEx2-0003Ql-2E; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:55 -0700 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf2839469gyg.16 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AR0dG/mpw+f5o8GPOmJ4fGDyWN4c5e7fl+fCmzOZhnk=; b=oU5RWjLMrB+IneY/7Rhdvm01jic9xY7to8Q2fZn/eT8sFaUxvrOiwXtQjU4bKO3gv6 3z5onne2cNLBq4NQtQ8Wlwi94/Z3aBUqt1qoVLqsJDt9vX23tJ0xuydihEDpSNL+oDb/ 3qMMdW//3cQco5UDxbPNEfGM0/IC/grBRT6Dc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xXu4fuU4tcr5OYTIsm8/cFJEfRHBdwb/n5c3heW13fi+LH8ITDCt5Bqhe2/oRdeGUU f8CwlBdXJfhckJRad1jdtSX5nfPw9QxqzxHcC69Zk3Q8hW6GHlGr8SYnQaaYgfasYP7w dvKiB9t3on03VYCn8XvelnmYrEtQnbrLKTir0= Received: by 10.91.90.9 with SMTP id s9mr398007agl.20.1277733875625; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.177.8 with SMTP id bg8ls308287ibb.0.p; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.158.73 with SMTP id e9mr633913ibx.18.1277733875085; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.158.73 with SMTP id e9mr633912ibx.18.1277733875023; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com (mail-iw0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s18si2818354ibi.5.2010.06.28.07.04.33; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.175; Received: by mail-iw0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 9so1131911iwn.20 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.31.197 with SMTP id z5mr1027759ibc.74.1277733871422; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.15.201 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:04:31 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Adding to Pro-bridi From: Ross Ogilvie To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255747ee860ed6048a1799fb --0003255747ee860ed6048a1799fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks. So the overwriting is specific to selma'o NA and NAhE? Or does it apply to all or some tenses (by which I mean time, space, movement, BAI tags on selbri)? On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > > Hey > > > > The initial question I was thinking about this afternoon was: is { mo mo > } a > > grammatically bridi. But it went on to be more general than that. Can > > pro-bridi (and other things like them) be combined with each other and > > brivla into tanru? > > > > eg > > { ko klama .i sutra go'i } - Go! Quickly! > > > > If this is the case, I've seen forms like { na go'i }, so I know that you > > can add tenses to these things. But when you say { na melbi .i na go'i } > the > > second bridi has the same meaning as the first, with the second { na } > > 'overwriting' the first. (I recall reading this, but couldn't find where > > when I quickly checked the obvious places). > > CLL chapter 15, section 9, after example 9.4 > > > So then do tanru based around > > pro-bridi follow the same principle > > > > eg > > { mi sutra cliva .i masno go'i } = { mi sutra cliva .i mi masno cliva } > or { > > mi sutra cliva .i masno sutra cliva } or something else? > > > > Na is not a brivla, so it is specially defined ,if you will.... Your > example would lead to "i masno sutra cliva". > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0003255747ee860ed6048a1799fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. So the overwriting is specific to selma'o NA and NAhE? Or does = it apply to all or some tenses (by which I mean time, space, movement, BAI = tags on selbri)?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at = 11:22 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wro= te:
On Mon, Jun = 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey
>
> The initial question I was thinking about this afternoon was: is { mo = mo } a
> grammatically bridi. But it went on to be more general than that. Can<= br> > pro-bridi (and other things like them) be combined with each other and=
> brivla into tanru?
>
> eg
> { ko klama .i sutra go'i } - Go! Quickly!
>
> If this is the case, I've seen forms like { na go'i }, so I kn= ow that you
> can add tenses to these things. But when you say { na melbi .i na go&#= 39;i } the
> second bridi has the same meaning as the first, with the second { na }=
> 'overwriting' the first. (I recall reading this, but couldn= 9;t find where
> when I quickly checked the obvious places).

=A0CLL chapter 15, section 9, after example 9.4

>=A0 So then do tanru based around
> pro-bridi follow the same principle
>
> eg
> { mi sutra cliva .i masno go'i } =3D { mi sutra cliva .i mi masno = cliva } or {
> mi sutra cliva .i masno sutra cliva } or something else?
>

=A0Na is not a brivla, so it is specially defined ,if you will.... Y= our
example would lead to "i masno sutra cliva".
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

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