From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhCT3KLhBBoEnvaHmw@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 28 07:14:10 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OTF5o-0005uS-5w; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:14:09 -0700 Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7sf5247838vws.16 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=50EriWfezxOla1umIukKacKsI78bfpop0ssBilyibcE=; b=vtR0kU//IW2Cmb/mh4kNfR2rm0byO6TgfSnbDMFE8368aqoPGG57UA53fiEcZ+NnRa 4UcJ0KhZLvw2BEyn4dzn7IjTPq9SgdgZvF05Fv4IBAv6WFMPbdpIFb8PzpddXWyzX6wO Upk5q9EtqBA+aL9Lj6/S2zd5IyeMnW9EUCkbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tnLkm7TSc1V75G5DTdyk2aRbQnNV/HaSBR31S3JtmdjdiDx8jkoHoXJIbdeh+ajc39 SlcylYSOZzU36jjSjXjPpreP6zNS1fcgfK4IfWq1xRNeKVv9f7iaI1ov4ZBoO3BmmmtT iQ9w7dZanR1PGF505thb1IYvj0P8st44xico8= Received: by 10.229.1.195 with SMTP id 3mr279686qcg.31.1277734419518; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.179.165 with SMTP id bq37ls6208555qcb.3.p; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.232.73 with SMTP id jt9mr346039qcb.28.1277734418441; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.232.73 with SMTP id jt9mr346038qcb.28.1277734418379; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f51.google.com (mail-vw0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si11428525qcq.13.2010.06.28.07.13.37; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.51; Received: by mail-vw0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 11so3291114vws.10 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.14.18 with SMTP id e18mr3316498qaa.99.1277734417035; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.190.201 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:13:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 10:13:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Adding to Pro-bridi From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go'i and its family is very nebulous and need to be better defined. But there are some conventions. Tenses in the same selma'o are considered overridden -- "mi pu klama le zarci" "mi ba go'i" ("I went to the store", "I will be (going to the store)" (mi ba klama le zarci). "xu" is always dropped "xu la djan gento" "na go'i" (Is John Argentinian? John is not Argentinian) na'e is NOT dropped.. that's part of the selbri. I expect BAI would be not be considered overwritten unless the very same tag word was used (and perhaps not even then). Oh wait, you asked about selbri BAI tags.. hmmmm....darn good question, but I guess I'd have to say "no", but it may depend on context. Numbered places are generally considered overridden. --gejyspa On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > Thanks. So the overwriting is specific to selma'o NA and NAhE? Or does it > apply to all or some tenses (by which I mean time, space, movement, BAI t= ags > on selbri)? > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: >> > Hey >> > >> > The initial question I was thinking about this afternoon was: is { mo = mo >> > } a >> > grammatically bridi. But it went on to be more general than that. Can >> > pro-bridi (and other things like them) be combined with each other and >> > brivla into tanru? >> > >> > eg >> > { ko klama .i sutra go'i } - Go! Quickly! >> > >> > If this is the case, I've seen forms like { na go'i }, so I know that >> > you >> > can add tenses to these things. But when you say { na melbi .i na go'i= } >> > the >> > second bridi has the same meaning as the first, with the second { na } >> > 'overwriting' the first. (I recall reading this, but couldn't find whe= re >> > when I quickly checked the obvious places). >> >> =A0CLL chapter 15, section 9, after example 9.4 >> >> >=A0 So then do tanru based around >> > pro-bridi follow the same principle >> > >> > eg >> > { mi sutra cliva .i masno go'i } =3D { mi sutra cliva .i mi masno cliv= a } >> > or { >> > mi sutra cliva .i masno sutra cliva } or something else? >> > >> >> =A0Na is not a brivla, so it is specially defined ,if you will.... Your >> example would lead to "i masno sutra cliva". >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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