From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhDN5q_gBBoEBFaQtw@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 06 12:13:34 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OLLHj-0004L7-1X; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:34 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf737837vws.16 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7iKzJp+UnuZvhSyrfN0jdxyF4bRAWwZHcsc6l2Blvi4=; b=pbM1i32aSrRCqtLC1iVxX0Yb1TxyqGiuZq2fyyHW74Z6Q2gl92d0t2L2rU15X7CLRV 5KJZfrHHQwB5GvnrSuFyEpu01amliCaJVO9QIIZtT9mOA6uTJaBJHcbO1+e6tenCxBpP GyP/3i2nlof+BFAyJnHWHlST7ZPTM6TZAwEV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=bRSxKGV1x13UhbIPiH1lvXeVM5FneeQzCp3UaSnLyOb/gnsBjRwb4czqpzFGx2RhQw ix8f0tqxuZkKCKamwTEIjNRjTNQ4QGZRpwgsBRh1iZNw55XhlTXhLClc6iXZ007nIDCr LJYjfReDa/OmaGbDxZBogfeHqpsjiyNnUAIGU= Received: by 10.220.107.1 with SMTP id z1mr753339vco.7.1275851597519; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.81 with SMTP id o17ls4057677vck.4.p; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.167.204 with SMTP id r12mr128247vcy.0.1275851596909; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.167.204 with SMTP id r12mr128245vcy.0.1275851596874; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f6si2239708vcp.7.2010.06.06.12.13.15; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by mail-vw0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 5so3131145vws.33 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.66.155 with SMTP id n27mr7707139qai.25.1275851595720; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.141.138 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lojbanic coffee mug From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f89927c2628e70488615973 --00c09f89927c2628e70488615973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:20 PM, lubekano3 wrote: > coi > > ... and good day to all. > > A lojban-speaker once got me interested in the language, and now I'm > going to learn it. To remind me and keep my spirit up, I'd like to > print an encouraging coffee mug for work. (I work in a public- > administration office, so coffee is pretty much on what I live there.) > > I'm still waiting for my copy of the reference grammar to ship, > though, and from what little I have already learned on the Net I'm > very much unsure if the following is correct lojban: > > le kafkabri po la .ieskos. > xekri je glare je kukte > > Intended meaning: "Jesko's coffee mug", subtitle: "black and hot and > tasty" > > (In case you're wondering about the subtitle, search the Web for > "Sinnlos im Weltraum".) > > I'd be very happy if someone would have a glance at the above text and > signal errors to me (-: > > Well, that says that the coffee cup itself is black and hot and tasty. I'd suggest instead getting rid of the "le" and putting an ".i" before xekri. And, just for interest, I couldn't yet figure out how to say "a mug of > black and hot and tasty coffee" ... "kabri lo xekri je glare je kukte ckafi" works fine. Granted, it says it's a cup FOR that, not necessarily having that at the moment (which would be "lo kabri cu vasru lo xekri je glare je kukte ckafi"), but context should make it understand.. after all, it doesn't always contain the coffee, does it? > (Also, is there a better way to > say "coffee mug" in the given context? Because "fb" is an > aesthetically unfortunate letter combination.) > > What fb is there in kafkabri? And why is it unfortunate, aesthetically? --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:20 PM, lubekano= 3 <kevinb.mll= er@yahoo.de> wrote:
coi

... and good day to all.

A lojban-speaker once got me interested in the language, and now I'm going to learn it. To remind me and keep my spirit up, I'd like to
print an encouraging coffee mug for work. (I work in a public-
administration office, so coffee is pretty much on what I live there.)

I'm still waiting for my copy of the reference grammar to ship,
though, and from what little I have already learned on the Net I'm
very much unsure if the following is correct lojban:

le kafkabri po la .ieskos.
xekri je glare je kukte

Intended meaning: "Jesko's coffee mug", subtitle: "black= and hot and
tasty"

(In case you're wondering about the subtitle, search the Web for
"Sinnlos im Weltraum".)

I'd be very happy if someone would have a glance at the above text and<= br> signal errors to me (-:

=A0 Well, that says that the coffee cup itself is bla= ck and hot and tasty. I'd suggest instead getting rid of the "le&q= uot; and putting an ".i"=A0 before xekri.


And, just for interest, I couldn't yet figure out how to say "a mu= g of
black and hot and tasty coffee" ...

=A0 "ka= bri lo xekri je glare je kukte ckafi" works fine.=A0 Granted, it says = it's a cup FOR that, not necessarily having that at the moment (which w= ould be "lo kabri cu vasru lo xekri je glare je kukte ckafi"), b= ut context should make it understand.. after all, it doesn't always con= tain the coffee, does it?

=A0
(Also, is there a better way to
say "coffee mug" in the given context? Because "fb" is = an
aesthetically unfortunate letter combination.)

=A0What fb is there in kafkabri? And why is it unfortunate, aesthetically?=

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

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