From lojban-beginners+bncCK30vq5WEOT6yeEEGgSA8Qcx@googlegroups.com Mon Jul 05 17:48:50 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OVwL6-0006bd-GF; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:49 -0700 Received: by pzk26 with SMTP id 26sf549468pzk.16 for ; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=+oA+pXoMN4LZPSx6uEP20VlGb+T4Qlfem0ZeXJmfT78=; b=fo+ybYaugaB4HA9Nd2tSk9iuOub+3y9q/BbdDtY3EHikm2ptqn2R5DjBGiSE5KwYW8 by13JD4yakEoegVqr0JA1GuPg1c/fnPemeBFi7RaWL68+ZAXPyJvRpZO8eDjApAzWxkN J/JxyHgB3bqYg/OR5Wzj9/Yxr7pruNb3PeTdY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=Tv9ORJCVFzkqw+SlQs6rztwr/bwbAdcNorSezIrXLUNiQpQOp4E0m1Z3OaGzy1Z+vl PIuFwA8aWwXTW96/Gek4aDPpCx2/0I0+T748K+q3PeZ7ARHPs5JIdnTs2XMtLRq2v57M otWNKtS4buvar7t7obn7M/w/mT/9BU5H5yI/s= Received: by 10.142.1.17 with SMTP id 17mr62427wfa.46.1278377316924; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.24.6 with SMTP id b6ls5545290wfj.0.p; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.211.6 with SMTP id j6mr777971wfg.23.1278377314883; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.211.6 with SMTP id j6mr777970wfg.23.1278377314858; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (chain.digitalkingdom.org [64.81.66.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s9si4233608rvl.0.2010.07.05.17.48.34; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.81.66.169; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OVwKv-0006bS-7s for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:33 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OVwKu-0006bJ-Kl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:48:32 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lo do ckiku ma zvati Message-ID: <20100706004832.GL23879@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:20:57AM -0700, Alan Post wrote: > For as many moments as I could spare in the last month, I've been > working on a lojban website: > > http://lodockikumazvati.org/ > > "lo do ckiku ma zvati" is "Where are your Keys?" in Lojban. > "Where are your Keys?" is a language learning game I've been > involved with the past 6 months. I host regular WAYK Spanish > sessions, and play WAYK solo in teaching myself Lojban. This did not get the response it deserved. Stephen Weeks has been talking to me about a local (San Francisco bay area) WAYK group that has met ... once? twice? ... and apparently went quite well. I'm *very* impressed by http://lodockikumazvati.org/se_tadni/le_vajrai_se_tadni_20100524.pdf , in particular by the use of signwriting. Go you! A general question about WAYK, which I find difficult to learn from the website: I notice that your version of the universal speed curriculum has signs in it, but http://whereareyourkeys.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/usc-wayk-espanol.pdf , for example, does not. Is the game always played with ASL as part of it? I mean, do you basically *have* to learn ASL to play WAYK? (this wouldn't bother me; I want to learn ASL anyways, just want clarification) Some minor comments: 1. You say that the signs are "what that", but it's actually "that what". 2. ASL "question" is a bit more complicated than that: http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchsign.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=2789 3. Is this: http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchsign.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=8529 what you're using for ja'a? Yeah, looks like. Not sure what you're going to do when you get to {nu'e}, but other than that I like it. :) 4. What's with all the {cu} and {vau}? Seems unnecessarily complicated. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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