From lojban-beginners+bncCK30vq5WEMWHzuEEGgQPgmjW@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 06 12:28:18 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWDoS-0008JG-Qp; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:17 -0700 Received: by pvg3 with SMTP id 3sf1168109pvg.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=CoZOml1Rzp2SVIyovsCru6iPsNT1wGFgWOFDor5kcvc=; b=bJRh/u3JCZZH0srt6veYX6awxfQeKRYl7PPLd5AtSz/PTEDS6On2x/P82ncp5i+cUa bsgWTaxLuyHCqVA+rzEctFnVkUaEHpy8kHfTmRn3XwZ9fUgsByrksPrNe0ysufdpYOn1 n/ZeAea9B+cLL7Z5iWXchvvMP0wRNfInEBRdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=1KvU6hRkQJnuUtmn3kZgfOcKeytALGcoVAoSSVZh4+FgIiAJ8C7y0yQKGGMkQirpLg /pg8gbFMmYPYyllQYMDEd/3jtz2wVdG1As7PaoTd0ZFJUkRoiGdCYpZIiRQztuVb+Q3f M/Mg7HcVieqJrUyUFNCSA87Gwl6krQnqmegRc= Received: by 10.142.149.1 with SMTP id w1mr322767wfd.12.1278444485396; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.26.15 with SMTP id d15ls679312wfj.2.p; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.18 with SMTP id n18mr1067678wfd.35.1278444483875; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.140.18 with SMTP id n18mr1067677wfd.35.1278444483837; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (chain.digitalkingdom.org [64.81.66.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si5151031wff.7.2010.07.06.12.28.03; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.81.66.169; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWDoH-0008GN-UK for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:28:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:28:01 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo do ckiku ma zvati Message-ID: <20100706192801.GC1443@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> <20100706004832.GL23879@digitalkingdom.org> <20100706164224.GA30521@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 03:24:10PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > Yes, {cu} is far more common than {ku} but the point is that it's > easier to learn that "you sometimes don't need {ku} and here's a > handy word {cu}" than "you mostly just need to use {cu}.... well, > unless you have an abstraction followed by... well I guess you > never really NEED it, but it's useful when you would have > otherwise had a whole bunch of terminators" > > Better to teach the rule and then show shortcuts than to teach > shortcuts as the rule. If that was all it was, I would agree, but you also need to teach the requirement for {vau} and {kei} and {ku'o} and how to order them and on and on and on. Or you could just say "put {cu} in front of all your selbri. you don't know how to talk about more than one event or relative clause per sentence yet", and that will give a beginner the abillity to say 90% of normal "Where is the bathroom?" sentences, and you're done. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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