From lojban-beginners+bncCICntNPQBRD1ks_hBBoE-Tmr4w@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 06 17:25:39 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWISF-0001gy-Je; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:25:39 -0700 Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23sf10623805gwj.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:25:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eXTbtG7gHt+TlRHi4VtGwl6nHgdZKwanhhZ3k+3KM5o=; b=lhcOv46Y4oESNCtsCDYhoAkD74KkWtLfhRobLPVelqSa2vzMYCJ3+IVJrFuBuIZHds keC8aSNb9Oo5GrT0el2tDTLaEfR+Gd2zNOznggG6ukU7dMgrkN3QKiFYi/TZlpdZXb2C E9Umwg7GA8GPZsnN/7GEUArAJ9zX9M33SzI7k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DIX+9CRAHInwMRl7ChnOzRIeofXIHg4NQ4SmQIHLinEOUocykO/CUUbLejexBcCJXa omvRh0SjzPe9rpAUB5D0njunNkrqKLfpS7xE5W9zJzDOYZP+bvnIscZjcBcwA6EQAOYb MZKCgB4fFv/FUHNneUDCk+3sqhop79Z9kl348= Received: by 10.90.71.20 with SMTP id t20mr533122aga.53.1278462325961; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.173.10 with SMTP id a10ls2420240anp.7.p; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.73.17 with SMTP id a17mr539850anl.33.1278462325494; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by w15g2000pro.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:25:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 173.196.20.139 References: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> <20100706004832.GL23879@digitalkingdom.org> <20100706164224.GA30521@alice.local> <20100706193633.GE1443@digitalkingdom.org> <20100706194349.GE31169@alice.local> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <1648753b-d597-4924-bf1f-dbe5a7ef7d6b@w15g2000pro.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo do ckiku ma zvati From: Lindar To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I still catch myself thinking things like {ta cu gerku}. Not grammatically incorrect, but definitely wrong. Whether or not we want to just give a student something to work with, we have to consider what will set a foundation for speaking in a way that's coherent with the style of speech that everyone else uses, and what's considered 'good form'. It literally takes me 30-90 minutes to get through selbri, sumti, SE, FA, and LE, and depending on the student, I can work in NU in that time frame. You shouldn't have to worry about losing students because everything is too complicated. I have had one student since I started teaching that I couldn't get through at least those first five items in an hour and retain all of it. At the end of LE you can teach partial elision (i.e. don't have to terminate between 'parallel' LE clauses or at the end of bridi), and after fully teaching NU and BE, you teach total elision once the student demonstrates an understanding of that material. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.