From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDY18_hBBoE01cldw@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 06 19:52:22 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWKkD-0002Ry-Sr; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:52:22 -0700 Received: by yxd39 with SMTP id 39sf4270567yxd.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:52:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=0/May3HeO7R4j9S+gCIbKVWHjlEUGLC68y2tOXjLcaA=; b=bHUhWjuhU9iwLCvuDiu5CYXnXJz3uhlUpyv7jQRZyP5P1Z2wqVTcl6NIDIiP8Gckhq OkvFJCR4KXUr0EwTe2POKJkvttVzz7j47QNPgeA13Uv058eIS3Ux/9tiLP+Dq6DfuBEN De4R9rECPvXaqehXh0dOUzYquyIHXUp7prWlE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=zv5Es8LHrE1Bc2lnCsv8E5VoDXMNq7Lk3bmy3u/N2olllAp57V2V8z/x5arRuLBS09 nUJimwerZ+A4v2qzhKvhEhIT9So+7js8KPKiEeFofLsmn8BLo8j+GF4GmfsyU2puCX13 FjOa4qYnZMXS/AmBVfGpAgx2R6guqSDl7n+78= Received: by 10.90.113.2 with SMTP id l2mr539366agc.38.1278471128214; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:52:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.184.145 with SMTP id ck17ls668047ibb.2.p; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.195 with SMTP id q3mr589316ibd.6.1278471126444; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.195 with SMTP id q3mr589315ibd.6.1278471126381; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id db12si3770004ibb.5.2010.07.06.19.52.05; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=mPFsO0+iuMofjwDMsQIP+3gv/0Z8gJtEDRMUNi8ZZGQ= c=1 sm=0 a=WH-5SDs6hO4A:10 a=0qYQvVkOOIcA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=80fE1S5pfDoNwU5U6zEA:9 a=TadpJmj1B1U2TrhPEYMJ7gxhwL0A:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:56492] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 1A/A9-18593-4DBE33C4; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:52:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343621CFC for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo do ckiku ma zvati Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:52:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20100302162057.GA14827@alice.local> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201007062252.01465.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 06 July 2010 20:13:16 Luke Bergen wrote: > This is exactly why I can't stand the idea of teaching {cu} right at the > beginning. I still catch myself thinking things like {ta cu gerku} because > I got into the bad habbit of thinking of {cu} as being like "is"/"does". Nothing wrong with "ta cu gerku". "cu" is not a copula or auxiliary, it's a predicate marker, a part of speech which does not exist in English, but does in Tok Pisin (though the rules are different). Tok Pisin, unlike Lojban, distinguishes common nouns, adjectives, and verbs, but uses "i" with all of them. ta (cu) gerku = em i dok ta (cu) barda = em i bikpela le gerku cu barda = dok i bikpela le remna cu klama le tricu = man i go long diwai do barda = yu bikpela (I think "yu i bikpela" is grammatical, but not said) Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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