From lojban-beginners+bncCICntNPQBRC3oO_hBBoE4bnPoA@googlegroups.com Mon Jul 12 19:33:11 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OYVIw-0005Hb-S9; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:33:11 -0700 Received: by gwaa20 with SMTP id a20sf1809234gwa.16 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hWoOryiTJMv4UU1e2GQJ/U9vqU+OUUf25xfbZcYAtu0=; b=1bB+x08a6cMDKA1r1o/8nqllyl+5jJQn30BPp9BusY9acck1Nd4ApgHJGYfK6OAkrN 92da6dd1KCwrahdk1gdKHJOmyHNomvkFhUdKTUX1oCj92haeAgA2kRHntTKp2IHdnDTT T2YulsLMsnpD0ym1qJ25aXN14Rq9RHpwzbKvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=r+0tC7xolAvOWn4anhEJWzBHujoY5+mjYccgfpCY7W2pn6/hSSZ1IuP2bhKoI2WbmL Ncwy7UZpBeS4pTBz76q0J4HCdh4vhEDtlbHRAvM7Hw4tszieimYJBoXqhSQct/ko6Bvd FZRs8N4uZb6ZHVV/uUlp2cMxaVsFFuNv0kwvQ= Received: by 10.91.107.14 with SMTP id j14mr1968369agm.11.1278988343837; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.21.28 with SMTP id y28ls184440agi.2.p; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.49.16 with SMTP id w16mr1973868agw.24.1278988343057; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by h8g2000prn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:32:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201007121942.38377.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-IP: 173.196.20.139 References: <201007121942.38377.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mutce From: Lindar To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > can the notion of MUTCE GLARE TCATI be as LE TCATI CU MUTCE LE GLARE ZO'E, > > and what can be for x3 in this case? "a lot of words to learn" as loi valsi > > cu mutce le cilre le (?) Sounds pre-xorlo to me. A specific hotness? > That should be "mutce le ka glare" or "mutce le ni glare". Should be {lo ka} not {le ka}. > For "I have a lot of words to learn" I'd say "so'i valsi cu se cilre .ei". The > construction doesn't translate well. x2 is an abstraction, so your suggestion doesn't make sense. {.i so'i lo valsi ku te cilre} A much better example. Neither of you seem to be familiar with xorlo. lo is nonspecific, le is something the speaker has in mind. It sounds unusual if you say "le ka" because it's strange to imagine a particular kind of hotness the speaker has in mind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.