From lojban-beginners+bncCNf8pM-bDBCq1PziBBoEMAAbXg@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 08 15:06:10 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OiE0M-00074F-6g; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:06:10 -0700 Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18sf11717216gwj.16 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:05:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kjFTVBwO3KlvajTsR5PqCfXD4wr04Hg3/unNB8QBQ3w=; b=FMJ56zrm5Pbcht9/rbPpPbU5/1vMqhV2ag9f07jyfsFRYuLALR6UQ4+DUOn0c4HTEf 1RPdhaPHopnbnfZ4+j/M7DcksVtFTx2HHfXUw3oMZZt59x9N8qSScFNBke0St4TCejuN GkU5a1UmMGXp8X4wzWDcr7zAVBrKtCeSbG0yY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=em0x6+N4SmbOapYweKbJwmy61fjSNiuVQbPKuqpKU7R4YADNIItit2J1Qo7O/6tQVB R9DQV85yNrlgXruJJYVX7Q3IIGv3gYBKtrj4KrlGezQW4dEKFH/jzNiJICEuaxHejH69 /dHJ2B2zJFbCmrC/jNy45YzBdbaisL17FCvzU= Received: by 10.91.42.38 with SMTP id u38mr2841513agj.20.1281305130581; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.17.13 with SMTP id 13ls2215337ybq.3.p; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.31.15 with SMTP id e15mr8871890ybe.12.1281305126628; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.137 with SMTP id dq9mr634514qcb.14.1281304883322; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.192.137 with SMTP id dq9mr634513qcb.14.1281304883276; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f43.google.com (mail-qw0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si2482228qce.0.2010.08.08.15.01.22; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.43; Received: by mail-qw0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 6so6592793qwd.30 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.246.134 with SMTP id ly6mr6665400qcb.109.1281304882086; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.242.75 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:01:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 23:01:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "and" question From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b8ba658844a048d570aef --0016363b8ba658844a048d570aef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 8 August 2010 21:49, rpglover64 wrote: > Hi all. I've been looking over the reference grammar and "Lojban for > Beginners" and trying to learn lojban by trying to convert my English > expressions into lojban. > > I looked in most of the logical connectives chapter of the reference > grammar, but I couldn't figure out the answer to my question. > > In lojban, how does one connect two otherwise independent sentences in > such a way as to imply that they are related. e.g. We went to the > store, and Sally bought fish. > coi lo prami be lo nuntigykei (Hi, lover of role-playing-game) With "bo", you can indicate that a pair of conjoined sentences are more related to one another than to other sentences: (we went to the store) .i bo (Sally bought fish) It may correspond to a semicolon in English ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon). With "je", you can indicate that both sentences are true (in an implicit particular instance): (we went to the store) .i je (Sally bought fish) This may be the closest to the "and" in your example. If by "and" you also meant a temporal sequence ("and then"), you could indicate that the event of "Sally bought fish" happened after "we went to the store" by adding "ba" to "je". For a syntactical reason, you would also have to add "bo" at the end of the conjunction: (we went to the store) .i je ba bo (Sally bought fish) (You may write ".i je ba bo" as ".ijebabo", if you want. It wouldn't affect the syntax.) tijlan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016363b8ba658844a048d570aef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 8 August 2010 21:49, rpglover64 <rpglover64@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Hi all. =A0I've been looking over the reference grammar and "Lojba= n for
Beginners" and trying to learn lojban by trying to convert my English<= br> expressions into lojban.

I looked in most of the logical connectives chapter of the reference
grammar, but I couldn't figure out the answer to my question.

In lojban, how does one connect two otherwise independent sentences in
such a way as to imply that they are related. =A0e.g. We went to the
store, and Sally bought fish.

coi lo prami be lo nuntigykei (Hi, lover of role-playing-game)


With "bo", you can indicate that a pair of conjoined sentences ar= e more related to one another than to other sentences:

=A0(we went to the store) .i bo (Sally bought fish)

It may correspond to a semicolon in English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon).

With "je", you can indicate that both sentences are true (in an i= mplicit particular instance):

=A0(we went to the store) .i je (Sally bought fish)

This may be the closest to the "and" in your example.

If by "and" you also meant a temporal sequence ("and then&qu= ot;), you could indicate that the event of "Sally bought fish" happened after &qu= ot;we went to the store" by adding "ba" to "je". For a syntac= tical reason, you would also have to add "bo" at the end of the conjunction:

=A0(we went to the store) .i je ba bo (Sally bought fish)

(You may write ".i je ba bo" as ".ijebabo", if you want= . It wouldn't affect the syntax.)


tijlan

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