From lojban-beginners+bncCICntNPQBRDE5fziBBoE8WZd1w@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 08 15:42:52 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OiEZs-0007hp-1Q; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:42:51 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf21227319gxk.16 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:42:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OIO59onVv/RZCBPPj4Md5VxyK6wwHBPRGf/RN9ayaOo=; b=U9l9/00X1B6GC86o5oy9MUywtH3G8uiINpFrEoa5dg1d0WQolbci8nDMLdiobdkK7D jilqBBNr0h3MAF5Q88JsvwVLwL1PnwaJbbI2dRt0hKDIj6MtGQyKi/LzNaMXtirX2WWP Wjwir2K3c4B3gf1WPsTfXSZ4iOzJL7WXyev1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IpVxdcqX2IKn4Fi8Hrv0deXHn2Ar9EPmybBgFrA9xaADwzwW5OGss3JWlWSCNaP1AT N6Q7Z/ga4x5vx+UpRi5rpJRN8P9u/ZPocOGMKBxhlk8lbbDN0t2lVsSzNgJ0vkwUyP38 5lvNy+GTOrDUJpeDGZuk89Q5vxmbBvRBgBH94= Received: by 10.101.151.37 with SMTP id d37mr1637171ano.43.1281307332463; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.194.29 with SMTP id w29ls1913468anp.1.p; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.179.34 with SMTP id g34mr1636730anp.55.1281307331462; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 32.174.244.190 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <73ad1495-3acc-42fe-89e4-e32490be25e2@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "and" question From: Lindar To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hi all. =A0I've been looking over the reference grammar and "Lojban for B= eginners" I'd recommend staying away from L4B, and only reading CLL after you've gone through the wave lesson and understand as much of that as you're going to. CLL is somewhat out of date, and is not meant as learning material. > and trying to learn lojban by trying to convert my English expressions in= to lojban. That is probably one of the worst things you can do to learn Lojban. This is often considered "malgli" and is frowned upon by all speakers. Please make a habit of translating -meanings- and not -words- or people will be very confused by what you say. English phrases and metaphor, sometimes even including sentence structure, are highly frowned upon in Lojban. Using {sakci} as English "sucks" or {ganxo} for calling somebody an "asshole" is very bad. > In lojban, how does one connect two otherwise independent sentences in > such a way as to imply that they are related. =A0e.g. We went to the > store, and Sally bought fish. You want {.ije} as previous people have said. {.i mi dansu .ije do flira} or {.i mi finpe .ijebo do cipni} if you want them to be more closely linked. If you want further help, feel free to PM me on facebook, e-mail me, or talk to somebody on the #lojban IRC channel. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.