From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBD-9_ziBBoEbDRGRw@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 08 16:22:14 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OiFBx-0001Qv-VF; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:22:14 -0700 Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8sf3064773qwj.16 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=n0jPXKWS/DLCHCsKTbLkuYQVYKM3MuP6hGTjcN4F+l4=; b=hy9Yq/OpoLD1rqeKL93D6jO/xQBqv/oSX2blMWjMd0KBc6neJan8+R+6kSg0xsXpXL iCHINfZYm+4GdMCfqirveiU00UQe1atJZKNhYHLKk2oz1TqZqU8+OsNFmv+cy5aePTQG M2JnabMsxWaGZtDBX45ThgcoHXAN50wKY7fWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BIy0Om3vOGetYWSfyPVHCfzo/WRDVFoUfnbwCHabLzfF+l/xw8rcw04/jQYcg+15Tt cGCXZjo0S81vdFQJOLclv24FQgzpOAcg9OThLwTn+FvRwM1iUKEM68oC6tz/v84+vOlS vu7LUGq5mcGIR0qV9phsuyZWO6a7oCZM6KyYE= Received: by 10.229.2.167 with SMTP id 39mr1516163qcj.24.1281309694084; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:21:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.207.1 with SMTP id fw1ls2335170qcb.1.p; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.222.9 with SMTP id ie9mr636876qcb.18.1281309693289; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.222.9 with SMTP id ie9mr636875qcb.18.1281309693222; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si2521369qce.0.2010.08.08.16.21.32; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.175; Received: by mail-qy0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 11so1706771qyk.13 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:21:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.179.7 with SMTP id bo7mr1897324vcb.2.1281309691990; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.123.96 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:21:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <73ad1495-3acc-42fe-89e4-e32490be25e2@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <73ad1495-3acc-42fe-89e4-e32490be25e2@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 19:21:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "and" question From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53a65209d3ed048d582971 --90e6ba53a65209d3ed048d582971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dance and you are a face? On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Lindar wrote: > > Hi all. I've been looking over the reference grammar and "Lojban for > Beginners" > > I'd recommend staying away from L4B, and only reading CLL after you've > gone through the wave lesson and understand as much of that as you're > going to. CLL is somewhat out of date, and is not meant as learning > material. > > > and trying to learn lojban by trying to convert my English expressions > into lojban. > > That is probably one of the worst things you can do to learn Lojban. > This is often considered "malgli" and is frowned upon by all speakers. > Please make a habit of translating -meanings- and not -words- or > people will be very confused by what you say. English phrases and > metaphor, sometimes even including sentence structure, are highly > frowned upon in Lojban. Using {sakci} as English "sucks" or {ganxo} > for calling somebody an "asshole" is very bad. > > > In lojban, how does one connect two otherwise independent sentences in > > such a way as to imply that they are related. e.g. We went to the > > store, and Sally bought fish. > > You want {.ije} as previous people have said. {.i mi dansu .ije do > flira} or {.i mi finpe .ijebo do cipni} if you want them to be more > closely linked. > > If you want further help, feel free to PM me on facebook, e-mail me, > or talk to somebody on the #lojban IRC channel. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba53a65209d3ed048d582971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dance and you are a face?

On Sun, Aug = 8, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all. =A0I've been looking over the reference = grammar and "Lojban for Beginners"

I'd recommend staying away from L4B, and only reading CLL after y= ou've
gone through the wave lesson and understand as much of that as you're going to. CLL is somewhat out of date, and is not meant as learning
material.

> and trying to learn lojban by trying to convert my English expressions= into lojban.

That is probably one of the worst things you can do to learn Lojban.<= br> This is often considered "malgli" and is frowned upon by all spea= kers.
Please make a habit of translating -meanings- and not -words- or
people will be very confused by what you say. English phrases and
metaphor, sometimes even including sentence structure, are highly
frowned upon in Lojban. Using {sakci} as English "sucks" or {ganx= o}
for calling somebody an "asshole" is very bad.

> In lojban, how does one connect two otherwise independent sentences in=
> such a way as to imply that they are related. =A0e.g. We went to the > store, and Sally bought fish.

You want {.ije} as previous people have said. {.i mi dansu .ije do flira} or {.i mi finpe .ijebo do cipni} if you want them to be more
closely linked.

If you want further help, feel free to PM me on facebook, e-mail me,
or talk to somebody on the #lojban IRC channel.

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