From lojban-beginners+bncCMqBsa7nERDhrv7iBBoEWJ4TrQ@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 08 22:52:09 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OiLHJ-0001Kb-MS; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:52:09 -0700 Received: by gyb13 with SMTP id 13sf21786184gyb.16 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ETeFIZMqWNFRB+0TqZuKQjyVM3ENAyNKJ8qjiq3RcaI=; b=X9+tPFDpRpYwY4LdI6l0tjyhfKM6FQMCRVPXx+5WgE72eyulMLZdAZdBbngAjzZVLJ 3r0c0yWt8uNSsvHOlA5uEYD+UIv+SSLUQUGobTI3aETwdX5K5BkdMb1ntPf/D7q8ourf 7T/WleYuUYDmeduaGV+xvGx7R1TpevuoezV5E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=G7BYwzaCrJmUkEcWi4jaISzi7iWdsXzFNyliQDVc+fzHspq3uR2nSviNVH1NWkPMaD UyecrtLw8tQG3ywBwcf/0PGS1hw3CCQkfgEQJckUZeFh7a0KmoVphmy2w0jJK/mun8RT 8MpZ1X8liWUEDKN8C0B2VRfPEZqlugWjvbi0g= Received: by 10.90.3.33 with SMTP id 33mr2871842agc.45.1281333089938; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls1628391ibr.2.p; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr2293528ibd.3.1281333089234; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr2293527ibd.3.1281333089176; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e25si3009402ibk.3.2010.08.08.22.51.28; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by mail-iw0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 4so3958799iwn.39 for ; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.184.156 with SMTP id ck28mr18144377ibb.168.1281333087845; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.17.140 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:51:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201008090009.47005.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:51:26 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "and" question From: Ross Ogilvie To: lojban-beginners X-Original-Sender: oges007@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of oges007@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=oges007@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450174aa8a3b8b048d5d9b8c --0050450174aa8a3b8b048d5d9b8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 According to jbovlaste, the fraction slash { fi'u } by itself means the golden ratio , commonly denoted phi, and when used as { fi'u x } is shorthand for { pa fi'u x }. So then li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u is phi - 1/phi which does in fact equal one. Where this convention comes from though, I don't know. mu'omi'e .ros. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ta'o I don't get your sig in that email pierre... > > /-// = 1 > > ?! > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Sunday 08 August 2010 17:42:31 Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > I believe they're called IJEKS. Do a search for "JA*" on this page: >> > http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/cmavo_selmaho_order.txt >> > >> > .ipu mi klama lo zarci .ije la.salis. bazi te vecnu lo finpe >> >> That means "Before me, goes to a store." You mean "puku mi klama lo zarci" >> or "mi pu klama lo zarci". >> >> The right way to imply that they are related is ".ibo", but I usually just >> say ".i", which happens to sound like the word for "and" in both Spanish >> and >> Russian. "mi'a klama le zarci .ibo la salis. terve'u lo finpe" >> >> mu'omi'e .pier. >> -- >> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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According t= o jbovlaste, the fraction slash { fi'u } by itself means the golden ratio, commonly deno= ted phi, and when used as { fi'u x } is shorthand for { pa fi'u x }= . So then li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u is phi - 1/phi which does = in fact equal one.

Where this convention comes from though, I don't know.

mu= 9;omi'e .ros.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at= 3:08 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
ta'o I don= 9;t get your sig in that email pierre...

/-// =3D 1

?!


On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Pierre Abbat = <phma@phma.optus= .nu> wrote:
On Sunday 08= August 2010 17:42:31 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I believe they're called IJEKS. Do a search for "JA*" on= this page:
> http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/c= mavo_selmaho_order.txt
>
> .ipu mi klama lo zarci .ije la.salis. bazi te vecnu lo finpe

That means "Before me, goes to a store." You mean "puk= u mi klama lo zarci"
or "mi pu klama lo zarci".

The right way to imply that they are related is ".ibo", but I usu= ally just
say ".i", which happens to sound like the word for "and"= ; in both Spanish and
Russian. "mi'a klama le zarci .ibo la salis. terve'u lo finpe&= quot;

mu'omi'e .pier.
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