From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDS_rLkBBoEluL6og@googlegroups.com Sun Sep 12 04:54:38 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Oul8Z-00087b-8m; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:54:36 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf352320pvc.16 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:54:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=hP3+U7vDZHPHhLwFyjnZnkXmabdX4G+UgeS9GwyrJzk=; b=Z7rxrqrIaMOxiw/NDQ5+FG8pvbkzI/xBXKgJ/j8wsiq/8hslLwW/lQizL7XOnPyx2p pWcTO9WSl6G7pk0b6d+iVqJOUIUd6Fo7AT4V82AhWNUjr4v2VpWTGfq19wPv3C4yr3Cu N8PXxzEl9EfRUZtx8ewNjrz9sPGoI7KydBzXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=ciAGEHRQPr6Ap5uUpX8T2cBVzsmgmohauBdkjNaLaxUtg3NOR4bOU/3cwg/xOmJXuK bR1WNoFNfHSsbPApsZnIOtyHJfIhL2hwog0NZ+gTrP+1sCkb5HxvsKF7vzVLEWHq8cCp SOcOqxwWOUpQX9pBrlnARPWMDgJhT9sB/Fka8= Received: by 10.114.134.8 with SMTP id h8mr158616wad.2.1284292434386; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:53:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.98.19 with SMTP id a19ls10486721wam.1.p; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.92.16 with SMTP id p16mr707239wab.36.1284292433235; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.92.16 with SMTP id p16mr707238wab.36.1284292433154; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j18si5978490wan.5.2010.09.12.04.53.52; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 04:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=88hQlV/VnhrPhhPadeRuWHBNMc0qRjlK2a7+9yZesI4= c=1 sm=0 a=txnxSVCq9qQA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=oODPNhMN6EBY1QVFWT0A:9 a=5SSreJSxLOVa83bi4WtPR_wMuDwA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:49549] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7B/45-29299-F4FBC8C4; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:53:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CC527EB for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:53:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: pregnant Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:53:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201009120753.18361.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 11 September 2010 23:23:56 H. Felton wrote: > I'd been thinking myself that getting the second place of "jbena" > into the word would be the best way of doing it; though, I wonder > if the "sel" should be omitted to create a shorter lujvo; in The > Draft Reference Grammar, chapter 12, section 9, it says "It is > common to form lujvo that omit the rafsi based on cmavo of selma'o > SE, as well as other cmavo rafsi. Doing so makes lujvo construction > for common or useful constructions shorter."; since "bavjbe" > (possibly needing a hyphen) would seem to be covered by "tarbi", > and "pregnant" seems to be quite likely to be a fairly commonly > used concept, we should favor the shorter word for a dictionary. I am less inclined to omit SE from the last part of a lujvo; the only one I remember doing that to is "zilcmi", since a set with no members makes sense, but a member without anything to be a member of is nonsense. "bavjbe" can be used for "unborn". There is also such a thing as lo tarbi jenai bavjbe. "jbena" in oviparous animals refers to laying an egg; what's inside cu tarbi until it hatches. Btw, one of my favorite words to say is "ovoviviparous". Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.